Offense non-development...

[WestEddy]

6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Once again...comparing Getz to Hahn and Haber, both out of the sport entirely, not exactly a high a high bar to set.

Once again...who cares? Hahn did get his team to back to back playoff appearances. Is that somehow ... beneath you...? LOL. 

[waltwilliams]

50 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Astros were so good at finding these players that they drummed-out  a young JD Martinez during the rebuild and it didn't matter.

I agree that the Sox have been way light on finding diamond-in-the rough types.   Hahn actually found a couple of these guys right before he decided to rebuild; I guess he found some c. 2020 but then forgot about them.  All relievers.  Hahn barely used Rule V at all during the rebuild..  He got virtually nothing from secondary trades in  the rebuild or from secondary pieced in major trades.  Nothing on the waiver wire.

Getz may have found 2 keepers in Rule 5.    So far, nothing in secondary trades or as secondary pieces in major trades -to be fair, many secondary pieces have been low minors guys.   He doesn't give himself much of a chance on the waiver wire- he just picks guys who don't have a real hit-tool, most of whom are 30+ anyway.  

Kenny Williams was actually really good in finding diamond-in-the-rough types: Jose Valentin, Juan Uribe, Carlos Quentin come to mind.

[GreenSox]

5 hours ago, waltwilliams said:

Fun fact: Tim Anderson was the last home-grown (drafted and developed) Sox position player to make the All-Star team in 2021 and 2022.

The last home-grown position player to make the All-Star team before TA was Joe Crede in 2008! And he was drafted almost 30 years ago ('96)

Technically, the last was Marcus Semien in 2024 (and a few other years).
And before Semien and Anderson was Chris Young in 2010.

[waltwilliams]

6 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Technically, the last was Marcus Semien in 2024 (and a few other years).
And before Semien and Anderson was Chris Young in 2010.

That's right. I'm thinking of guys they kept, though

 

[caulfield12]

6 minutes ago, waltwilliams said:

Kenny Williams was actually really good in finding diamond-in-the-rough types: Jose Valentin, Juan Uribe, Carlos Quentin come to mind.

Damaso Marte, Jenks, Alejandro de Aza, Sergio Santos for a couple of years, Matt Thornton

Esteban Loiaza then flipped for Contreras

Iguchi Pods Dye AJ El Duque Vizcaino (for 2005), you can add Ozuna and Everett as well

Freddy Garcia for Floyd and Gio Gonzalez

 

KW has a lot of bad trades, too....surely, but look at the overall record of the team from 2000 through 2012.

 

[caulfield12]

12 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Technically, the last was Marcus Semien in 2024 (and a few other years).
And before Semien and Anderson was Chris Young in 2010.

Fernando Tatis, Jr. 2024 All-Star as well (LOL)

Edited Tuesday at 01:19 AM by caulfield12

[GreenSox]

47 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Damaso Marte, Jenks, Alejandro de Aza, Sergio Santos for a couple of years, Matt Thornton

Esteban Loiaza then flipped for Contreras

Iguchi Pods Dye AJ El Duque Vizcaino (for 2005), you can add Ozuna and Everett as well

Freddy Garcia for Floyd and Gio Gonzalez

 

KW has a lot of bad trades, too....surely, but look at the overall record of the team from 2000 through 2012.

 

Matt Thornton for Borchard.

He spit the bit on the major trades. But none of the bad trades were devastating (in contrast to those of his successor).  

The Sox were good for most of the period 1990-2010.  Not coincidentally, their farm system was consistently good until the end of that period....and not from the fruits of dispersal trades, but from their own drafting, international signings and development.
 

Edited Tuesday at 01:59 AM by GreenSox

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

2 hours ago, Chick Mercedes said:

Pro gaslighting 

 You really think so ? I listed some of the good things in my next post. It was quite lengthy based on listening to Bannister. I'm not smart enough to psychologically abuse anyone to change their perceptions. I deal in facts. But 🫵🪨!

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

So the topic offensive development. Hopefully Ryan Fuller can work some magic.

I did make a post during ST about how I'd like Vargas to imitate everything Judge did.

I didn't know at the time that Judge has a controversial hitting coach he goes to named Richard Schenck aka Teacherman .

Guess who worked with him this off season who lost his rookie eligibility last year and was just a speedy ,toolsy, 2nd rd pick with a .757 minor league OPS,  who never sniffed theTop 100,  Inf/OF and current leader in MLB WAR .

Yes it's Kyren Paris of the Angels. Who ?

https://www.justbaseball.com/mlb/time-to-know-angels-youngster-kyren-paris/

Article is a couple days old so stats will be slightly off.  Hope he can sustain what hes doing. And can the Sox hire Teacherman ? He's pretty controversial because of his mouth .

[caulfield12]

2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

So the topic offensive development. Hopefully Ryan Fuller can work some magic.

I did make a post during ST about how I'd like Vargas to imitate everything Judge did.

I didn't know at the time that Judge has a controversial hitting coach he goes to named Richard Schenck aka Teacherman .

Guess who worked with him this off season who lost his rookie eligibility last year and was just a speedy ,toolsy, 2nd rd pick with a .757 minor league OPS,  who never sniffed theTop 100,  Inf/OF and current leader in MLB WAR .

Yes it's Kyren Paris of the Angels. Who ?

https://www.justbaseball.com/mlb/time-to-know-angels-youngster-kyren-paris/

Article is a couple days old so stats will be slightly off.  Hope he can sustain what hes doing. And can the Sox hire Teacherman ? He's pretty controversial because of his mouth .

Seems like that hitting guru guy who lasted less than one year...hired maybe five years ago and nothing changed or he gave up out of frustration.

Had a big social media following as well.

[WestEddy]

16 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Seems like that hitting guru guy who lasted less than one year...hired maybe five years ago and nothing changed or he gave up out of frustration.

Had a big social media following as well.

Andy Barkett? Chris Getz cleaned house at the end of the 2023 season. 

[caulfield12]

21 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Andy Barkett? Chris Getz cleaned house at the end of the 2023 season. 

No...that's not the one.

 

Did find this 2017 interview with Hahn for Greenberg/The Athletic that made me more upset reading it now...this idea of using alliteration/making more memorable the phrase "mired in mediocrity" being the biggest point of all was so tone deaf.

 

"I think it (Sale trade) was announced that afternoon and it was consummated that morning. I will tell you, I want to say that was Tuesday, which makes sense because today’s a Wednesday. I did the math real quick in my head. Not a leap year.

(White Sox vice president of communications Scott Reifert: “That’s a (2017) Sportsman of the Year type move right there.” Hahn: “That quick calculation.”)

 

I remember the famous “mired in mediocrity” speech. Did you come up with “mired in mediocrity” before you talked to us?

I didn’t. And I’ll tell you someone sitting in this room, not me, probably not you, based on your question, was not too happy with me after that press conference. Scott turned to me and said, “Did you have to use alliteration?” I turned to him and said, ” What are you talking about.” He said, “You said mired in mediocrity.” First, I didn’t realize the alliteration and second, I was just talking and didn’t realize that was a catchphrase, so to speak, or emblematic labeling of where we were at. It was just honest. We obviously branded where we were at pretty effectively, but that was not the intent — but just trying to clearly express to our fans that we were feeling the same things they were feeling.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/189936/2017/12/21/rick-hahn-speaks-a-very-complete-transcription-of-his-person-of-the-year-interview/

Edited Tuesday at 07:20 PM by caulfield12