southsider2k5 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 6 minutes ago, almagest said: No they wouldn’t, because it’s too early to know. It’s potentially promising to us, who are looking for reasons to be hopeful. It’ll be picked up around the league if results start showing up. Then it is also too early so say that all of these change were good and will show results. There can't be brow beating about how things are improving, but not one person with any sense of neutrality or first hand experience doesn't seem to think to also say it out loud. I want to see results myself, but I would be willing to engage in the blind positivity if literally anyone of authority who doesn't have a vested interest in keeping Jerry happy would agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 More surprised by some of the teams like the Cubs included on this list...they have also had a very highly ranked farm system in recent years. Maybe players targeting Ricketts for not opening up the purse strings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 17 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Then it is also too early so say that all of these change were good and will show results. There can't be brow beating about how things are improving, but not one person with any sense of neutrality or first hand experience doesn't seem to think to also say it out loud. I want to see results myself, but I would be willing to engage in the blind positivity if literally anyone of authority who doesn't have a vested interest in keeping Jerry happy would agree. They’re promising changes. Good in theory. We’ll see how that shapes out over this season. They need to draft some position player studs and see positive growth from multiple guys throughout the minors. Also would like to see at least one of the non-Meidroth guys in the majors show something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 13 minutes ago, almagest said: They’re promising changes. Good in theory. We’ll see how that shapes out over this season. They need to draft some position player studs and see positive growth from multiple guys throughout the minors. Also would like to see at least one of the non-Meidroth guys in the majors show something. We did all of this "promising changes" stuff under Hahn. The same articles were written, the same hype over prospects were given, the new guys were all hired and anointed. I would like to see some real change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: If others thought these changes were as great as we keep getting told, SOMEONE would have noticed by now. Ex-players are still trashing the organization, and the rest of baseball isn't saying anything. All of the most qualified people to judge, haven't had anything good to say. Ex-players aren't working in other front offices. Correct, the rest of baseball is probably waiting to see how Getz's changes result in a well-run organization that deserves notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 52 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Then it is also too early so say that all of these change were good and will show results. There can't be brow beating about how things are improving, but not one person with any sense of neutrality or first hand experience doesn't seem to think to also say it out loud. I want to see results myself, but I would be willing to engage in the blind positivity if literally anyone of authority who doesn't have a vested interest in keeping Jerry happy would agree. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we're rubbing elbows with baseball executives from 29 other front offices, here. Is somebody brow-beating the GM from the Giants to believe in the White Sox rebuild as they're taking a survey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 7 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Ex-players aren't working in other front offices. Correct, the rest of baseball is probably waiting to see how Getz's changes result in a well-run organization that deserves notice. That is two different groups of experts who aren't seeing it. They are not one combined group. Neither the Ex-players nor the 40 front office executives have good things to say about the White Sox. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: That is two different groups of experts who aren't seeing it. They are not one combined group. Neither the Ex-players nor the 40 front office executives have good things to say about the White Sox. Lance Lynn doesn't have a front office executive's view of the White Sox front office. He has more of an ex-employee's. And with the turnover still happening this off-season, there's nothing for other executives to "see". I would imagine they're reserving their judgement until they see any kind of track record to judge, be it in development, trades, scouting, contract extensions, drafting, whatever. Getz had one TDL, one draft, and 1.5 off-seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 6 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we're rubbing elbows with baseball executives from 29 other front offices, here. Is somebody brow-beating the GM from the Giants to believe in the White Sox rebuild as they're taking a survey? That's quite literally the point. No one seems to think enough of the White Sox changes to mention it as a positive. The Ex-players who played here see the organizations they have gone to as superior. Out of 40 front office execs who were interviewed, who have first hand knowledge of what it takes to be a successful major league baseball franchise, Zero of them thought to mentioned the White Sox, while literally the entire rest of the AL Central got votes. How is it too early for them to know, but at the same time, the people whose livelihoods depend on the White Sox are to be trumpeted as knowing better? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 12 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Lance Lynn doesn't have a front office executive's view of the White Sox front office. He has more of an ex-employee's. And with the turnover still happening this off-season, there's nothing for other executives to "see". I would imagine they're reserving their judgement until they see any kind of track record to judge, be it in development, trades, scouting, contract extensions, drafting, whatever. Getz had one TDL, one draft, and 1.5 off-seasons. Again, these are two different groups. Ex-players see the game one way, and they see the Sox as inferior. Other front office execs see it another way, and they didn't think enough of the Sox as to mention them to the positive side. Neither is saying good things about the White Sox. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 23 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Again, these are two different groups. Ex-players see the game one way, and they see the Sox as inferior. Other front office execs see it another way, and they didn't think enough of the Sox as to mention them to the positive side. Neither is saying good things about the White Sox. Realistically, what else could be expected coming off 121 losses? If they're not getting any votes 2-3 years from now...that's a real warning sign or red flag to be acknowledged. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Realistically, what else could be expected coming off 121 losses? If they're not getting any votes 2-3 years from now...that's a real warning sign or red flag to be acknowledged. It's literally what I would expect. I don't get the ALL IS WELL crowd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 1. Dodgers 300 2. Rays 237 3. Brewers 118 4. Guardians 105 5. Yankees 53 6. Braves 42 Phillies 42 8. Diamondbacks 30 9. Orioles 23 10. Padres 18 11. Mets 14 12. Tigers 11 13. Astros 10 Rangers 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 12 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: 1. Dodgers 300 2. Rays 237 3. Brewers 118 4. Guardians 105 5. Yankees 53 6. Braves 42 Phillies 42 8. Diamondbacks 30 9. Orioles 23 10. Padres 18 11. Mets 14 12. Tigers 11 13. Astros 10 Rangers 10 Wow, those are teams with some numbers next to them. LOL. The White Sox must be doing pretty good if you need a silly listicle to take victory laps over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) 4 hours ago, WestEddy said: Wow, those are teams with some numbers next to them. LOL. The White Sox must be doing pretty good if you need a silly listicle to take victory laps over. How is it "silly" if that's the current thinking of the majority of the industry??? Shouldn't that give Getz an advantage, if he's criminally overloooked or underestimated by everyone in MLB front offices? Did you really expect they would have digested all the "puff pieces" about the Sox and incorporated that into their voting... Dodgers, Rays top voters’ front office rankings 40 MLB executives and coaches ranked the top five MLB front offices Note: only the Dodgers, Rays and Guardians received first place votes/rankings Edited April 17 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 “I think everyone in the industry respects the way Chris sees the world, his ability to cultivate staff and have people want to work for him, believe in what he’s doing and want to work in Cleveland,” said one AL GM. “He’s kind of unmatched in that regard. There’s a huge group of people who (have offers to go elsewhere and) don’t leave because they love what Chris has built and love working for him every day. I don’t think there’s any executive in the industry who has more respect from his peers than Chris in terms of what type of person he is.” While ownership rarely gives Antonetti and GM Mike Chernoff much to work with, they’ve managed to keep franchise cornerstone José Ramírez, top starter Tanner Bibee and star closer Emmanuel Clase with reasonable long-term deals. “They really care about people there,” one NL GM said. “I think that allows them to compete and to hang on to a lot of talent, both on the field and off.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 6 hours ago, caulfield12 said: How is it "silly" if that's the current thinking of the majority of the industry??? Shouldn't that give Getz an advantage, if he's criminally overloooked or underestimated by everyone in MLB front offices? Did you really expect they would have digested all the "puff pieces" about the Sox and incorporated that into their voting... Dodgers, Rays top voters’ front office rankings 40 MLB executives and coaches ranked the top five MLB front offices Note: only the Dodgers, Rays and Guardians received first place votes/rankings I've already laid out my opinion. It's a new regime with new people. They don't have a track record for anybody to vote them "best front office". It would be stupid for anybody to say they're the best front office at this time. I'm not sure what "puff pieces" you're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 20 hours ago, WestEddy said: I wouldn't expect an organization that just tore up the floor boards and embarked on a rebuild to receive any votes for "best front office". It's going to take a while for Getz & Co. to settle in and develop a reputation. Yes, it's time in seat that's the problem.... not record-setting ineptitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 7 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Yes, it's time in seat that's the problem.... not record-setting ineptitude. I don't really consider a listicle ranking to be a "problem". LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 28 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I don't really consider a listicle ranking to be a "problem". LOL. You haven’t yet considered anything to be a problem or a concern…why change now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 12 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: You haven’t yet considered anything to be a problem or a concern…why change now? The entire organization has been revamped and restructured. It's pretty dumb to expect a complete rebuild to take "months". But you go ahead. I'm sure you could milk ESPN's Power Ranking for more angst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 28 minutes ago, WestEddy said: The entire organization has been revamped and restructured. It's pretty dumb to expect a complete rebuild to take "months". But you go ahead. I'm sure you could milk ESPN's Power Ranking for more angst. You won’t even go on record as expecting a .500 finish in the worst division in baseball in 2027…what’s the point? You will say injuries or it depends on the budget or something else to kick the can down the road. Do you get some kind of commission or bonus for every year Getz is employed as GM by the White Sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 27 minutes ago, WestEddy said: The entire organization has been revamped and restructured. It's pretty dumb to expect a complete rebuild to take "months". But you go ahead. I'm sure you could milk ESPN's Power Ranking for more angst. I don't believe in "complete rebuilds," certainly not this one. But even if some young talent develops, money will have to be spent if you want a real winning team. As a fan, I've heard about these rebuilds over and over, and they have produced one World Series appearance in 65 years. Stop losing 100 games, and I will feel a little better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 47 minutes ago, WestEddy said: The entire organization has been revamped and restructured. It's pretty dumb to expect a complete rebuild to take "months". But you go ahead. I'm sure you could milk ESPN's Power Ranking for more angst. A rebuild isn't complete when you retain large parts of the former problems. The player development staff barely changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 If you keep whiffing on your first player picked it will set you back a long time. That seems to apply to all pro sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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