May 13, 2025May 13 55 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I don't see that as a "problem". The heart of the problem is that they don't have scores of prospects at the higher levels to fill the rolls. So they're piecing together a team from the waiver wire, cheap free agents and low level trades. The fact that it's seen as a problem has people screaming for slugs like Canario to come in and strike out every at bat so they can scream about what a horribly scouted move Getz made. It's a rebuild. This is what a rebuild looks like. And this was the problem from 2017-2019...they had to bring in scores of veterans because none of the "non top" players granted playing time amounted to much of anything. Same thing, the minors didn't provide high upside bullpen guys, so they ended up paying through the teeth for Graveman, Kelly, Hendriks, Kimbrel, etc. The problem also isn't the higher levels...it's basically there's nothing in the MIDDLE between Teel and Braden Montgomery, other than the 3 young starting pitchers in Birmingham.
May 13, 2025May 13 1 hour ago, ptatc said: Not necessarily. Maybe they just wanted a closer look in person to determine if they could change some flaws they noticed. Once they talked to him and worked with him a little, they determined either they couldn't correct the flaws or he wouldn't correct the flaws. Man, the Sox are amazing. It's no wonder they are having the seasons they are.
May 13, 2025May 13 36 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Man, the Sox are amazing. It's no wonder they are having the seasons they are. The Sox staff was able to quickly and efficiently assess Workman, even though they currently have the worst hitting, slugging, and OPS’ing offense in the MLB. Definitely checks out…
May 13, 2025May 13 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: And this was the problem from 2017-2019...they had to bring in scores of veterans because none of the "non top" players granted playing time amounted to much of anything. Same thing, the minors didn't provide high upside bullpen guys, so they ended up paying through the teeth for Graveman, Kelly, Hendriks, Kimbrel, etc. The problem also isn't the higher levels...it's basically there's nothing in the MIDDLE between Teel and Braden Montgomery, other than the 3 young starting pitchers in Birmingham. If that's the case, then a Rule 5 pick who has strike out issues and gets hurt making errors certainly wasn't going to turn the franchise around. Good thing they figured him out quick and moved on. I sure would hate for Workman to be taking Trajekt machine time away from the next minor leaguer that everybody's going to start screaming needs to be up on the majors now.
May 13, 2025May 13 51 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: And this was the problem from 2017-2019...they had to bring in scores of veterans because none of the "non top" players granted playing time amounted to much of anything. Same thing, the minors didn't provide high upside bullpen guys, so they ended up paying through the teeth for Graveman, Kelly, Hendriks, Kimbrel, etc. The problem also isn't the higher levels...it's basically there's nothing in the MIDDLE between Teel and Braden Montgomery, other than the 3 young starting pitchers in Birmingham. The genesis of the problem then as it is now is poor drafting/international signings and a lot of clowning and unwarranted arrogance (a team with their poor draft record acting like they're the smartest guys in the room with the reaching and punting e.g.). Maybe things have improved - won't know or a while. Anyway, at this point, they seem to waste resources on niche players: the great fielding SS who can't hit; great fielding OF; last year it was Maldanado, the catcher that pitchers love, but who can't hit. I These are the kind of players the good teams sign to top-off the roster. The fast guy who can't get on base fits this category. They have no use to the Sox who should be in audition mode - either for the Sox or to peddle to other teams. Right now they need to figure out how to get Lee up so that he can be moved. I don't even think the current pen is all that hopeless...too much pressure is put on them due to lack of offense that mistakes are magnified. There are some guys to trade and I hope they do it well.
May 13, 2025May 13 15 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: The Sox staff was able to quickly and efficiently assess Workman, even though they currently have the worst hitting, slugging, and OPS’ing offense in the MLB. Definitely checks out… Who knows? Maybe in his first batting cage session, Workman Face-timed his agency coaches, and they were too argumentative to get anything done. We've seen meddling agents mess up a player's development before. Besides, you're making fun of the White Sox for moving on too quickly, inferring that they can't coach the players they have. Why do you want them to take on a bigger problem and throw hundreds of at bats at it? Edited May 13, 2025May 13 by WestEddy
May 13, 2025May 13 25 minutes ago, GreenSox said: The genesis of the problem then as it is now is poor drafting/international signings and a lot of clowning and unwarranted arrogance (a team with their poor draft record acting like they're the smartest guys in the room with the reaching and punting e.g.). Maybe things have improved - won't know or a while. Anyway, at this point, they seem to waste resources on niche players: the great fielding SS who can't hit (AMAYA); great fielding OF; last year it was Maldonado, the catcher that pitchers love, but who can't hit (this year Thaiss is co-MVP, lol). I These are the kind of players the good teams sign to top-off the roster. The fast guy who can't get on base fits this category (Greg Jones). They have no use to the Sox who should be in audition mode - either for the Sox or to peddle to other teams. Right now they need to figure out how to get Lee up so that he can be moved (when the logical move is actually to trade Thaiss to a team that needs a reliable veteran to platoon, simply because of a youth and "handedness" advantage for Korey Lee). I don't even think the current pen is all that hopeless...too much pressure is put on them due to lack of offense that mistakes are magnified. There are some guys to trade and I hope they do it well. Edited May 13, 2025May 13 by caulfield12
May 13, 2025May 13 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: Man, the Sox are amazing. It's no wonder they are having the seasons they are. They are doing exactly what they planned. Some people just refuse to see it. Edited May 13, 2025May 13 by ptatc
May 13, 2025May 13 12 minutes ago, ptatc said: They are doing exactly what they planned. Some people just refuse to see it. Don't piss on my leg and call it rain.
May 13, 2025May 13 12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Don't piss on my leg and call it rain. That's up to you if you don't want to face reality. Dress it up with all the clever quotes, its reality.
May 13, 2025May 13 6 minutes ago, ptatc said: That's up to you if you don't want to face reality. Dress it up with all the clever quotes, its reality. Their record is the reality. Dressing it up as some genius master plan isn't reality, it's a sales job.
May 13, 2025May 13 11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Their record is the reality. Dressing it up as some genius master plan isn't reality, it's a sales job. You are correct the record is what it is. The rest of it, you can think what you want to think. But if you cant see they are tanking and rebuilding, we'll its one point of view.
May 13, 2025May 13 7 minutes ago, ptatc said: You are correct the record is what it is. The rest of it, you can think what you want to think. But if you cant see they are tanking and rebuilding, we'll its one point of view. Or what you are told to think, as the case may be.
May 13, 2025May 13 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Or what you are told to think, as the case may be. And of course they are rebuilding. It's the whole reason to take a chance on a Workman type player in the first place.
May 13, 2025May 13 9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Or what you are told to think, as the case may be. I don't think anyone has actually said it because they don't want to admit it. In fact I think they said the opposite. But actions speak louder then words.
May 13, 2025May 13 9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: And of course they are rebuilding. It's the whole reason to take a chance on a Workman type player in the first place. Not if he doesn't fit their plans of what they want in a rebuild.
May 13, 2025May 13 7 minutes ago, ptatc said: I don't think anyone has actually said it because they don't want to admit it. In fact I think they said the opposite. But actions speak louder then words. Actions sure do. And as we continue to roster mediocre to terrible older vets instead of taking chances on young players, those actions continue to scream at us.
May 13, 2025May 13 8 minutes ago, ptatc said: Not if he doesn't fit their plans of what they want in a rebuild. Yet they claimed him.
May 13, 2025May 13 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Actions sure do. And as we continue to roster mediocre to terrible older vets instead of taking chances on young players, those actions continue to scream at us. Sure does. As soon as they find ones they like, they'll give them a chance.
May 13, 2025May 13 6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Yet they claimed him. Then decided he wasn't what they wanted after working with him. Should we stay on the merry go round?
May 13, 2025May 13 7 minutes ago, ptatc said: Sure does. As soon as they find ones they like, they'll give them a chance. This is exactly what I am afraid of.
May 13, 2025May 13 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: This is exactly what I am afraid of. That's fine. You can dislike the plan but they do have a plan. Edited May 13, 2025May 13 by ptatc
May 13, 2025May 13 6 minutes ago, ptatc said: Then decided he wasn't what they wanted after working with him. Should we stay on the merry go round? If you continue to apply circular logic that always results in the Sox being perfect, absolutely.
May 13, 2025May 13 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If you continue to apply circular logic that always results in the Sox being perfect, absolutely. Where did anyone say they were perfect? I never even said they were right. I said thos all could the case. It's not a dichotomy where everything is all wrong or everythingis always correct. There is evaluation and decision making. It's a constant process.
May 13, 2025May 13 38 minutes ago, ptatc said: You are correct the record is what it is. The rest of it, you can think what you want to think. But if you cant see they are tanking and rebuilding, we'll its one point of view. How does losing intentionally work in the MLB. What edge do you gain for setting records of bad. There have been many rebuilds in sports history. None as bad as the White Sox, in baseball. Stop pretending what's happening is normal.
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