Workman DFA'd after 1 MLB game

[ChiSoxFanMike]

I think the only reason Amaya has survived this long is his ability to play shortstop. They seem to value that. I would rather have kept Workman over him though.

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, Princess Dye said:

Cubs fans though were saying that he had some horrific miscues defensively. I think something has changed there, i dont know if it's the physical issues or what

OK, that's fine.  Then why the hell did we claim him?  We sure didn't learn enough in one freaking game to make this decision either way.  Either he was worth claiming, and we should work with him, or we should have never claimed him because he isn't good enough,

[ptatc]

25 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

OK, that's fine.  Then why the hell did we claim him?  We sure didn't learn enough in one freaking game to make this decision either way.  Either he was worth claiming, and we should work with him, or we should have never claimed him because he isn't good enough,

Maybe it was the time in Arizona and Charlotte that made them realize it wasn't worth it? They saw him fir more than one game, it just wasn't at the MLB level.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

14 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Nothing, zero.  Just more bad Getz FA acquisitions.  May as well have kept Workman around.  Like many have noted year after year, Sox GM’s love to spend $5 million or under on a variety of crap that adds up to millions of wasted dollars.  They still think quantity is greater than quality.

You always make it sound so simple. Riddle me this . What's Getz supposed to do ? Seriously asking if you are the GM and your owner says we need to lower the payroll even more than last year, when you could at least take a shot on Fedde, who are you suppose to sign? You can't just say we don't want to spend any money so we're forgetting the major league season and only want to play our minor league seasons.

You have to field an MLB team and pay for them. You have to pay AAAA talent to play in AAA to back them up.

It's easy to rant and rave about wasting millions but how do you still try to rebuild but also field a team bad enough to be in the running for the No 1 draft pick ? How do you fix scouting and development or R & D ,hire new people, buy new up to date tech, built a new complex in the DR ? How do you continue to make 2 other Rule 5 picks that have turned out pretty good so far ?

Maybe you can help me understand what you're talking about by creating the budget Getz has been working under and making a list of all players you would have TRiED to sign, All the people you would have hired and all the tech you would have bought and compare it to all the money Getz has spent and show me where the waste is . I'm sure in  your plan the players never get injured. Your bums would all perform well and your vets would all be traded for high draft choices. Get a clue .You have no idea. This is what happens when you're signing players to be bad on purpose.  You hope a few of them do decent enough to get you a few minors leaguers who turn out to be something. That's it. This is the process of rebuilding right after your 1st rebuild didn't quite manage the sustained success that was envisioned by the architects of the 1st rebuild including the same owner who is  clutching the purse strings even tighter now that he's prepping his sons to sell the team in such a way that will make them the most money with as little debt and taxes as possible . Yes it's ugly, a very ugly process. You hate it. I hate it. As fans it sucks going through it. You want to wave a magic wand and make it all better and until it is you will keep throwing tantrums acting like you haven't got a clue to the things I just told you.

This is just JR estate planning. Sooner or later you will get it . You,  me  , us,  the fans we are not a part of this process.

 

[southsider2k5]

7 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Maybe it was the time in Arizona and Charlotte that made them realize it wasn't worth it? They saw him fir more than one game, it just wasn't at the MLB level.

When he was on the IL?  That still seems super quick.  Either scouting wasn't good, or they really missed a big red flag.

[WestEddy]

1 hour ago, GreenSox said:

Amaya's OPS is .241; his career OPS is .341.   Exactly who is over his head?

We have  Taylor, a great defender with a .264 OBP.  They  had to make room for the great Josh Rojas. Oooh Tauchman's coming back soon- need to make room!   We aren't getting anything of value for these guys in July.  None will be back next year.  

We have more interesting, higher potential, if not  better players in Charlotte. 

 What is the point of all of this?  

Amaya plays above average MLB defense at shortstop. They're not rostering him for his bat. 

[WestEddy]

50 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Let’s be honest.  It’s not difficult for this sad sack team to roster anyone for the season.  Amaya and Maton have both been on this roster.

Sure, they can roster "anyone". They can't roster "everyone". Everybody gets a wild hair and declares they could DFA 10 different players to roster the one guy they want. It's fanciful. 

[ptatc]

19 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

When he was on the IL?  That still seems super quick.  Either scouting wasn't good, or they really missed a big red flag.

Or they thought it was worth a chance, then decided it wasn't. They lost nothing with giving it a shot. Being a rule 5 draftee I'm sure there are plenty of issues. Otherwise the original team would keep him.

 

Edited May 12 by ptatc

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

16 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Maybe it was the time in Arizona and Charlotte that made them realize it wasn't worth it? They saw him fir more than one game, it just wasn't at the MLB level.

Or if Detroit buys him back for $50K they break even or made money on him if they paid the Cubs less for him or they know Detroit won't pay for him, no one else claims him and they get to keep him. Or someone claims him and they get paid cash like they paid the  Cubs and now they're off the hook for him and break even ?   I'm putting way too much thought into this 😋.

[southsider2k5]

15 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Or they thought it was worth a chance, then decided it wasn't. They lost nothing with giving it a shot. Being a rule 5 draftee I'm sure there are plenty of issues. Otherwise the original team would keep him.

 

You must have a different definition of "giving it a shot" than I do.  Literally one game is not it for me.

[caulfield12]

10 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Or they thought it was worth a chance, then decided it wasn't. They lost nothing with giving it a shot. Being a rule 5 draftee I'm sure there are plenty of issues. Otherwise the original team would keep him.

 

Shane Smith and Vasil?  Palacios was at one point a Rule 5 minor league selection...

The real problem is if none of these 50-75 players cycled through are worth anything 2-3 years from now.

 

And that's not always true...the Dodgers in 1955 had nowhere to play Clemente because of Amoros Furrillo and Snider so they attempted to literally hide him on the bench in Montreal so scouts wouldn't be able to see him play.

[WestEddy]

15 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Or they thought it was worth a chance, then decided it wasn't. They lost nothing with giving it a shot. Being a rule 5 draftee I'm sure there are plenty of issues. Otherwise the original team would keep him.

 

There's a bunch yelling for the Sox to pick up waiver dudes, try them, and if they can't cut it, DFA them. I agree that from what they saw, it may have looked like too big a jump from AA to the bigs, and Elko kind of forced their hand. Maybe they saw an opportunity to sneak him through waivers, and knew Detroit wasn't interested. Who knows?

[caulfield12]

There's really no better option than Jacob Amaya available in the entire world?

Some have been screaming until blue in the face that SS was going to be an issue for this team...yet here we are, still.

I guess Jose Iglesias was unwilling to sign with the Sox if any playoff contender would still give him a shot.

[caulfield12]

14 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

There's a bunch yelling for the Sox to pick up waiver dudes, try them, and if they can't cut it, DFA them. I agree that from what they saw, it may have looked like too big a jump from AA to the bigs, and Elko kind of forced their hand. Maybe they saw an opportunity to sneak him through waivers, and knew Detroit wasn't interested. Who knows?

It's consistently playing veterans over young players with at least some limited potential that is really the heart of the problem.

Nobody wants to watch guys like Maton Palacios and Amaya.  

And who's the best prospect from all of the trades acquired this last year other than Crochet?

Might be William Bergolla...who probably ends up as a utility infielder at the big league level.

Edited May 12 by caulfield12

[southsider2k5]

25 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

There's a bunch yelling for the Sox to pick up waiver dudes, try them, and if they can't cut it, DFA them. I agree that from what they saw, it may have looked like too big a jump from AA to the bigs, and Elko kind of forced their hand. Maybe they saw an opportunity to sneak him through waivers, and knew Detroit wasn't interested. Who knows?

How would they know this?

[caulfield12]

20 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

How would they know this?

Any assumptions as needed in order to fit the Getz as budding Branch Rickey narrative.

Probably better to stick with touting Smith and Vasil as major wins so far...

Edited May 12 by caulfield12

[ptatc]

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

You must have a different definition of "giving it a shot" than I do.  Literally one game is not it for me.

I think we do have a different definition. I look at it as they can see his mechanics, abilities and other traits while working in Arizona and Charlotte to determine if he is what they want.

I don't look at game play as being the only thing that can determine future success.

[ptatc]

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Shane Smith and Vasil?  Palacios was at one point a Rule 5 minor league selection...

The real problem is if none of these 50-75 players cycled through are worth anything 2-3 years from now.

 

And that's not always true...the Dodgers in 1955 had nowhere to play Clemente because of Amoros Furrillo and Snider so they attempted to literally hide him on the bench in Montreal so scouts wouldn't be able to see him play.

And your point is?

They obviously determined that Smith and Vasil were worth keeping. They also determined that Workman was not.

[southsider2k5]

10 minutes ago, ptatc said:

I think we do have a different definition. I look at it as they can see his mechanics, abilities and other traits while working in Arizona and Charlotte to determine if he is what they want.

I don't look at game play as being the only thing that can determine future success.

While he was hurt?

[ptatc]

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

While he was hurt?

Sure, he was hurt. 

Even if he was, which is highly suspect, I'm sure he was in the batting cages and working on things with the instructors 

A mildly strained hip flexor wouldn't prevent that.

[southsider2k5]

9 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Sure, he was hurt. 

Even if he was, which is highly suspect, I'm sure he was in the batting cages and working on things with the instructors 

A mildly strained hip flexor wouldn't prevent that.

Which goes back to scouting failure if they got rid of him that quick.

[ptatc]

13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Which goes back to scouting failure if they got rid of him that quick.

Not necessarily. Maybe they just wanted a closer look in person to determine if they could change some flaws they noticed.

Once they talked to him and worked with him a little, they determined either they couldn't correct the flaws or he wouldn't correct the flaws.

[WestEddy]

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

It's consistently playing veterans over young players with at least some limited potential that is really the heart of the problem.

Nobody wants to watch guys like Maton Palacios and Amaya.  

And who's the best prospect from all of the trades acquired this last year other than Crochet?

Might be William Bergolla...who probably ends up as a utility infielder at the big league level.

I don't see that as a "problem". The heart of the problem is that they don't have scores of prospects at the higher levels to fill the rolls. So they're piecing together a team from the waiver wire, cheap free agents and low level trades. 

The fact that it's seen as a problem has people screaming for slugs like Canario to come in and strike out every at bat so they can scream about what a horribly scouted move Getz made.

It's a rebuild. This is what a rebuild looks like. 

[WhiteSox2023]

Well, it’s good to know we can trust that Getz and this organization can identify a good hitter and were confident in their decision to potentially lose Workman.

Afterall, the Sox are currently last in the MLB in AVG (.214), SLG (.321), and OPS (.612).

No one should question Getz and his staff with it comes to identifying bad hitters.  🤣

Edited May 12 by WhiteSox2023

[ChiSox59]

2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

OK, that's fine.  Then why the hell did we claim him?  We sure didn't learn enough in one freaking game to make this decision either way.  Either he was worth claiming, and we should work with him, or we should have never claimed him because he isn't good enough,

I mean, who really cares? They obviously didn't like what they saw. Maybe they didn't like his worth ethic. I'd rather them cut bait quick than hold too long. It is a little weird considering chances of Det not taking him back for $50k seem remote even if he can clear waivers (prob won't), so the claim and DFA to outright route was always unlikely to work.