4 hours ago, tray said:

What did this billionaire do at the trade deadline to fund (in his way to borrow/finance) acquisition of two pitchers at the trade deadline to help this team?

This is ALL about the billionaire. Watch how much it costs to get to the train yard, buy tickets and concessions.

Ishbia isn’t the controlling owner you fucking lunatic.

48 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Ishbia isn’t the controlling owner you fucking lunatic.

You don't know anything about the issues. Pure vengeance.

It's telling that Ishbia did not seek community or fan input until long after Ishbia made the decisions and gone far down the road with his plan. So now what is the community meeting about? A taller fence between the Armor Park building and the rail yard ? Well OK, I noticed 87 million of the RR loan supposedly dedicated to "viaducts" in Bridgeport/Armor Park. That seems pretty light considering the poor condition of railroad bridges across the streets leading from the North to 35th street and beyond, and the storm sewers and streets in the viaducts.

Moving forward, what is Ishbia's plan, if any, to deal with Rate Field and to compensate the ISFA for demolishing it ?

At the end of the day, this is a move to convert public assets into private ones. The fans will pay the price for years to come.

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4 hours ago, nrockway said:

For some unknown reason, liberals now hate zoning and love letting real estate developers do whatever they want, thinking it's like a 'progressive' point of view. Reagan and friends did a number on people's brains.

Boneheads like you will find any reason to complain about a development. You're never going to make everybody happy. They're replacing an industrial property with a similar industrial property. The pollution from it is literally a drop in the bucket compared to vehicular traffic from major streets.

It reminds me of the people that were furious about the Lincoln Yards development. The developers were remediating heavily contaminated former Final Steel + multiple other industrial properties and replacing it with commercial/residential, and possibly an entertainment venue, and people were bitching about it.

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1 hour ago, 77 Hitmen said:

But the Tampa City Council still has to vote on this, right? Since you live in the area, do you know if this is likely to pass the city council?

The word is it’s a done but……..

As it stands now, the earliest they would have a new stadium is probably 2031-32.

Would hardly call this whole thing "fast paced," except in comparison to the Bears maybe...

3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

I have to give you this. If you don't have an argument, you sure can make up one to get mad about. Again, this isn't about zoning, planning, or anything else typical. This is property law as it applies to railroads, who have been granted near absolute power in this country by virtue of rewriting property law in the late 19th century to seize land to go cross continent and create company towns. You can turn it into a values judgment if you like, but I am stating facts and history here, from first hand experience. My hometown is on the tail end of almost 20 years of dealing with a railroad expansion where despite sitting through dozens of community meetings, studies, environmenal impact statements, etc, they were presented with much smaller impact alternatives, they went forward with exactly what they said they would seizing a few hundred houses and properties through a center swath of town, putting up hideous walls as a barrier along the route so they could increase speeds, closing off a couple of dozen crossings, including a few vital routes for fire and emergency response teams with no care for anything but their bottom line over any community concerns, including literal life and death ones. This wasn't a unique experience either. Towns all up and down this corridor saw the exact same thing play out, regardless of political affiliation, socioeconomic background, or anything other than being in the way of the ideal path.

You're mistaken about how these powers work in practice and it sounds like you're talking specifically about private railroad companies. Amtrak has certain legal authority but they can't just do whatever they want. Feds can make up reasons but they still need to hold up in court. The 14th st railyard sale and now this ordeal is not at all the political norm and I don't know why one would just roll over and take it. It's not like I'm the only person saying this, advocacy groups are too. Your personal experience sounds like defeatism to me, I can't really comment on an anecdote, but this is anything but 'business as usual' and it has little to do with baseball and more to do with this administration doing whatever it pleases to privatize public assets and throw bones to their oligarch wannabe buddies.

49 minutes ago, nrockway said:

You're mistaken about how these powers work in practice and it sounds like you're talking specifically about private railroad companies. Amtrak has certain legal authority but they can't just do whatever they want. Feds can make up reasons but they still need to hold up in court. The 14th st railyard sale and now this ordeal is not at all the political norm and I don't know why one would just roll over and take it. It's not like I'm the only person saying this, advocacy groups are too. Your personal experience sounds like defeatism to me, I can't really comment on an anecdote, but this is anything but 'business as usual' and it has little to do with baseball and more to do with this administration doing whatever it pleases to privatize public assets and throw bones to their oligarch wannabe buddies.

Come back to me in a decade.

S2K said:

"This is property law as it applies to railroads, who have been granted near absolute power in this country by virtue of rewriting property law in the late 19th century to seize land to go cross continent and create company towns. You can turn it into a values judgment if you like, but I am stating facts and history here, from first hand experience.

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Yea there could be some legal (and factual) arguments that can be made, i.e., whether or not the land to be acquired next to the Armor Field house is really for a railroad purpose or primarily for a private purpose. LOL. The motive behind this as clear as light...but who wants to pay attorneys to go up against silk stocking attorneys from Amtrak and Ishbia in Federal Court? Concerned Sox fans? Cork and Kerry? ISFA? The Chicago Park District? As I alluded to earlier, this guy is just another billionaire bully that will pay-off anything or anybody in his way. No reason for that meeting in Bridgeport. This thing is a done deal. So Ishbia sh1tcans Bridgeport, Armor Park and Rate Field easily with almost no opposition and apparently, no consideration of alternatives.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by tray

35 minutes ago, tray said:

S2K said:

"This is property law as it applies to railroads, who have been granted near absolute power in this country by virtue of rewriting property law in the late 19th century to seize land to go cross continent and create company towns. You can turn it into a values judgment if you like, but I am stating facts and history here, from first hand experience.

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Yea there could be some legal (and factual) arguments that can be made, i.e., whether or not the land to be acquired next to the Armor Field house is really for a railroad purpose or primarily for a private purpose. LOL. The motive behind this as clear as light...but who wants to pay attorneys to go up against silk stocking attorneys from Amtrak and Ishbia in Federal Court? Concerned Sox fans? Cork and Kerry? ISFA? The Chicago Park District? As I alluded to earlier, this guy is just another billionaire bully that will pay-off anything or anybody in his way. No reason for that meeting in Bridgeport. This thing is a done deal. So Ishbia sh1tcans Bridgeport, Armor Park and Rate Field easily with almost no opposition and apparently, no consideration of alternatives.

It amazes me that you think everyone but Ishbia is a gullible idiot, just waiting to be taken advantage of by the greedy billionaire, including the greedy billionaire he is already in business with to get all of th8s done.

4 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

As it stands now, the earliest they would have a new stadium is probably 2031-32.

Would hardly call this whole thing "fast paced," except in comparison to the Bears maybe...

Considering all the hoops they need to go through to make a new stadium a reality, not to mention the ownership succession process that might not possibly happen until 2034.....honestly, if they get a new stadium opened in time for the 2033 All-Star Game, IMO that would be a huge success for Jerry and Ishbia.

A stadium isn't even the first thing slated for the Amtrak property - the Northwestern medical research campus is. We might not see a stadium open in the South Loop until 2035 or 2036.

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