Sox hire Carlos Rodriguez for Assistant GM role

[caulfield12]

40 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

You realize as a long term teacher yourself you have certainly taught numerous criminals,  including pedophiles.  It's the law of large numbers over time.  

Eye for talent is one half of it.

Developing that talent and also finding players with that burning internal drive to be great...well, look what happened to Moncada Kopech Jimenez and Robert, Jr.

 

I mean...I literally taught narco trafficantes' kids in Colombia, but also one student whose parents both attended Harvard and earned doctorates in opthamology, and their daughter also got in and excelled, too.

The lines are blurry when money gets involved with education.

Girls are forced by society there to grow up too quickly into young women, and the machisimo culture also dictated that beauty was prized over brains...that being too smart was actually a big negative to the majority of "prized" men.  About half of my female students had multiple plastic surgerhe's already at ages 15-16-17.  But at least they never had to make that choice to utilize their beauty in order to save their families financially, thank god.

That was the saddest part of the Franco case...how much the mother manipulated her daughter to target famous athletes to provide a better lifestyle for herself.  Afaik, she was also charged and held criminally responsible for her actions as well.

 

Edited 7 hours ago by caulfield12

[WestEddy]

18 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Except those morons went to Stanford Northwestern/Kellogg Harvard Law and Michigan.

Not morons...just not well suited to working together as an executive team and sharing decision making power when KW and Paddy still wanted to overrule Hahn on talent evaluation/trades.

As usual, I have no idea what this means, or how it relates to what you're responding to. 

[southsider2k5]

22 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

KW stopped caring, simply got acclimated to a comfortable executive lifestyle with all the perks (2005's long shelf life) and Hahn just never had the eye for talent.

Rodriguez was the first to sign an eventual Brazilian major leaguer in Yan Gomes.

That was at the same time the White Sox were going after Andre Rienzo and Anderson Gomes, middle of the Wilder scandal days when Jerry Krause was also scouting Brazil, Venezuela and Colombia.

Sounded more like Kenny was being pushed out already, and was set on retiring soon anyway.

[southsider2k5]

10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Eye for talent is one half of it.

Developing that talent and also finding players with that burning internal drive to be great...well, look what happened to Moncada Kopech Jimenez and Robert, Jr.

 

I mean...I literally taught narco trafficantes' kids in Colombia, but also one student whose parents both attended Harvard and earned doctorates in opthamology, and their daughter also got in and excelled, too.

The lines are blurry when money gets involved with education.

Girls are forced by society there to grow up too quickly into young women, and the machisimo culture also dictated that beauty was prized over brains...that being too smart was actually a big negative to the majority of "prized" men.  About half of my female students had multiple plastic surgerhe's already at ages 15-16-17.  But at least they never had to make that choice to utilize their beauty in order to save their families financially, thank god.

That was the saddest part of the Franco case...how much the mother manipulated her daughter to target famous athletes to provide a better lifestyle for herself.  Afaik, she was also charged and held criminally responsible for her actions as well.

 

Apparently you too have an eye for developing criminal talent.  Case closed.

[WhiteSox2023]

4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Apparently you too have an eye for developing criminal talent.  Case closed.

@caulfield12 for new White Sox Director of Leadership and Culture!!!

[southsider2k5]

31 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Everybody has always gone silent when I've posed the question. In interviews, do they tell the prospective boss that they've worked for a moron, so they're fated to make the same bad decisions the bad boss did? 

Especially since we have Chris Getz on record during the Jerry/Kenny/Rick era saying he largely had the freedom to do as he wanted and hire who he wanted.

[caulfield12]

16 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

As usual, I have no idea what this means, or how it relates to what you're responding to. 

They aren't/weren't morons.

The end.

Hahn maybe a baseball moron...outside of contracts and public speaking.

[Chicago White Sox]

3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Especially since we have Chris Getz on record during the Jerry/Kenny/Rick era saying he largely had the freedom to do as he wanted and hire who he wanted.

He had the freedom to make major capital expenditures in equipment, further build out our biomechanics group, and completely rehaul our analytics infrastructure?

[southsider2k5]

Just now, Chicago White Sox said:

He had the freedom to make major capital expenditures in equipment, further build out our biomechanics group, and completely rehaul our analytics infrastructure?

Ask him, it is his words, not mine.

[caulfield12]

13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Apparently you too have an eye for developing criminal talent.  Case closed.

Well, I will gladly take Carlos Rodriguez over either Hahn/Getz in a heartbeat.

[WestEddy]

13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Especially since we have Chris Getz on record during the Jerry/Kenny/Rick era saying he largely had the freedom to do as he wanted and hire who he wanted.

...because every front office employee doing a job will go to the media and trash their bosses? Do you ever even try to make sense? 

[southsider2k5]

Just now, WestEddy said:

...because every front office employee doing a job will go to the media and trash their bosses? Do you ever even try to make sense? 

You realize there is a Grand Canyon of space between "trashing your bosses" and (if you think this isn't accurate) flat out lying to the press about your situation, right?

[WestEddy]

1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

You realize there is a Grand Canyon of space between "trashing your bosses" and (if you think this isn't accurate) flat out lying to the press about your situation, right?

And there's a Grand Canyon between speaking positively about your position and the reality? By all means, post this declaration of independence you keep citing and let's look at it in context. I can't imagine that KW/Hahn kept begging Getz to build out pitching and hitting labs, upgrade all facets of development, and Getz flat out refused AND kept his job. Then it's weird that once he became GM, he swept through development and did all these things. Either Getz is an intense Machiavellian dude who sabotaged his bosses, or he was a team player who tried to work within his limited resources. 

[caulfield12]

1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

You realize there is a Grand Canyon of space between "trashing your bosses" and (if you think this isn't accurate) flat out lying to the press about your situation, right?

And two things can be true simultaneously.

We can take an NFL example.

Maybe Brian Flores in Miami wasn't a very good head coach.  At all.

But Tua has proven himself numerous times since his "inside expose" that he's neither a good QB nor a respected team leader.

 

Blaming others for one's own faults never gets you very far in life.

You think the Rays' various leaders looked at their respective budgets...compared with NYY or Boston or Toronto...ana said, nah, we just can't compete in this division???

Might as well just give up.

[caulfield12]

4 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

And there's a Grand Canyon between speaking positively about your position and the reality? By all means, post this declaration of independence you keep citing and let's look at it in context. I can't imagine that KW/Hahn kept begging Getz to build out pitching and hitting labs, upgrade all facets of development, and Getz flat out refused AND kept his job. Then it's weird that once he became GM, he swept through development and did all these things. Either Getz is an intense Machiavellian dude who sabotaged his bosses, or he was a team player who tried to work within his limited resources. 

Burger and Sheets independently started going out and buying the tech with their own money...that shouldn't have to happen in a high class organization before someone else notices.

Or integrating systems across all minor league teams and interfacing with Chicago.

Was Rick Hahn or Jeremy Haber so scary or unapproachable that a seemingly good idea would lead to adverse consequences?

[southsider2k5]

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

And there's a Grand Canyon between speaking positively about your position and the reality? By all means, post this declaration of independence you keep citing and let's look at it in context. I can't imagine that KW/Hahn kept begging Getz to build out pitching and hitting labs, upgrade all facets of development, and Getz flat out refused AND kept his job. Then it's weird that once he became GM, he swept through development and did all these things. Either Getz is an intense Machiavellian dude who sabotaged his bosses, or he was a team player who tried to work within his limited resources. 

It has been already previously posted, as has the end of 2024 interview with The Athletic where it is made clear that Rick Hahn wanted to pursue much more analytics and Jerry stopped it... but you haven't let that one stop your obligation to the #HeGetzUs foundation.

[WestEddy]

1 minute ago, caulfield12 said:

Burger and Sheets independently started going out and buying the tech with their own money...that shouldn't have to happen in a high class organization before someone else notices.

Or integrating systems across all minor league teams and interfacing with Chicago.

Was Rick Hahn or Jeremy Haber so scary or unapproachable that a seemingly good idea would lead to adverse consequences?

The Burger and Sheets situations happened during the COVID season when teams were restricted to the number of players who could participate at team facilities. It's weird how you know the whole story except key context, or are you just being dishonest? The Sox supported Burger playing in an independent league, then finally made room for him. 

As for the rest, nobody disputes that the Sox were pathetically behind the rest of the league in tech and brain-power. Please explain how that meshes with KW/Hahn/Haber giving Getz the freedom to go rogue and build his own development empire when the rest of the org wasn't up to speed. 

[Chick Mercedes]

I read somewhere that with the new hirings starting with Getz, the Sox intend to be a talent and minor league development titan of some note. That was music.

[WestEddy]

6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

It has been already previously posted, as has the end of 2024 interview with The Athletic where it is made clear that Rick Hahn wanted to pursue much more analytics and Jerry stopped it... but you haven't let that one stop your obligation to the #HeGetzUs foundation.

Okay, JR stopped it. I'm not sure how that makes me whatever dumb joke you keep flogging. 

 

[Y2Jimmy0]

30 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

He had the freedom to make major capital expenditures in equipment, further build out our biomechanics group, and completely rehaul our analytics infrastructure?

He did not. 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

12 hours ago, DirtySox said:

Ooh. Am I allowed to let my optimism show?

Oh I dont know thats a tough one. Everything the Sox do is just luck. They didnt help make Crochet or Colson better they just lucked into it. It was all on the players . They call up prospects too soon or wait too long.  They can't develop but there are late round draft choices that have prominent roles on the team. Their coaching staff causes injuries. We should all be embarrassed and hide.

So YES !! Let it grow, let it grow, let it blossom , let it flow !

Edited 7 hours ago by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[caulfield12]

13 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

The Burger and Sheets situations happened during the COVID season when teams were restricted to the number of players who could participate at team facilities. It's weird how you know the whole story except key context, or are you just being dishonest? The Sox supported Burger playing in an independent league, then finally made room for him. 

As for the rest, nobody disputes that the Sox were pathetically behind the rest of the league in tech and brain-power. Please explain how that meshes with KW/Hahn/Haber giving Getz the freedom to go rogue and build his own development empire when the rest of the org wasn't up to speed. 

No no no.

This was 2022 or maybe even early 2023.

You could ask James Fegan about it, I guess.

Sheets wasn't together with Burger in Central Illinois and Missouri at that time.

He's from the Baltimore area due to his father.

 

"There might be another reason for Sheets’ anger, though. It has to do with Burger, his friend, and the White Sox top pick in the 2017 MLB Draft, with Sheets selected in the second round.

“I’ve seen it a couple of times, especially today I was late for our I-pitch session,” said Burger with a laugh when asked if he ever has viewed Sheets as angry as he was Wednesday. “He got on me a little bit. Maybe that anger spilled out onto the field, I’m not sure.”

Early 2023

Edited 6 hours ago by caulfield12

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

12 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

It’s been the same one in just about every thread 

Im not sure youre talking about the same person ,the sarcastic optimist or the Debbie Downer  ? 

You have to admit that even moves that are difficult to find fault with there's always the guy saying how lucky or hilarious it all is.

[WestEddy]

1 minute ago, caulfield12 said:

No no no.

This was 2022 or maybe even early 2023.

You could ask James Fegan about it, I guess.

Sheets wasn't together with Burger in Central Illinois and Missouri at that time.

He's from the Baltimore area due to his father.

You're still referencing a period of time that I'm asserting Getz didn't have the resources to run a modern development program. I'm not sure of the point you're making. We all know that the Sox were woefully behind on tech and R&D. 

[caulfield12]

19 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

You're still referencing a period of time that I'm asserting Getz didn't have the resources to run a modern development program. I'm not sure of the point you're making. We all know that the Sox were woefully behind on tech and R&D. 

Modern baseball technology and players' evolving needs basically forced the tech adoption on the team...instead of the other way around.