8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

If we are managing for today, manage for today. If we are managing for tomorrow, manage for tomorrow. But don't piss on my leg and tell me it is raining when the moves don't add up together.

Two things can happen at the same time. A team can get marginally better at a position AND they can plan for the future. I'm guessing you're sitting at a computer in your house or at work. If somebody's actually pissing on your leg, your problems are far greater than not understanding how teams are built.

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Chris Widger was the backup catcher on the 2005 team. Should that team not have "settled" for Widger, and kept that roster spot open until some 5 WAR catcher became available?

You can't compare these two. Chris Widger was "The Widge" and nobody beat him. McGuire on the other hand has already beat himself.

3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Yet two seconds later, the team can't afford the same money to make a much bigger improvement in LF, because they are broke and have to stay in a budget because everyone has a budget.

While the temptation is to look at every move in isolation and pretend to not understand why people aren't happy, but when the moves actually contradict each other, not looking at them as a whole makes it easy to ignore that. If we are managing for today, manage for today. If we are managing for tomorrow, manage for tomorrow. But don't piss on my leg and tell me it is raining when the moves don't add up together.

lol.... why are you trying to pretend Benintendi is on the team because they are paying Reese McGuire 1.5x the league minimum?

15 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

lol.... why are you trying to pretend Benintendi is on the team because they are paying Reese McGuire 1.5x the league minimum?

Apparently, somebody here argued they can't cut Benintendi because the Sox can't afford a replacement, and we cannot move on until he gets a victory lap out of that. Maybe he could just DM that guy with a "LoL, told you so", and be done with it.

1 hour ago, Nardiwashere said:

Because its 2026 and its not a lot of money.

He's the 9th highest paid player on the team because they are rebuilding and a large portion of the team is still making league minimum, not because $1.2 million dollars is a lot of money in MLB terms.

According to your thinking, if a team (hypothetically) had 22 very good starting caliber pre-arb players, it would be bad to spend a million dollars to sign a backup because that player would be a top 5 salary on the team. That's not how it works in real life.

No, by my reasoning this team is cheap as f*** running historically low payrolls after adjusted for revenues... so saying 1.2 million for 4 weeks is nothing doesn't align with the way this team behaves. They had to trade a player to sign a player.

41 minutes ago, supernuke said:

You can't compare these two. Chris Widger was "The Widge" and nobody beat him. McGuire on the other hand has already beat himself.

How many 16 inch softball championships does McGuire have under his belt? Zero.

Checkmate the Widge.

1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

No, by my reasoning this team is cheap as f*** running historically low payrolls after adjusted for revenues... so saying 1.2 million for 4 weeks is nothing doesn't align with the way this team behaves. They had to trade a player to sign a player.

No one is arguing they aren't cheap. It's embarrassing/pathetic that they have such a low payroll and probably had to move Robert's $20 million before doing other things this offseason.

That said, even for their cheap asses, this isn't a lot of money. So I'm not sure why it matters, especially if your complaint is stinginess, that they prefer to pay a backup $1.2 million vs $800,000.

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

If this team thinks they can challenge .500, then surely, they are in the divisional race. Every win matters, and improving from a catcher they clearly don't like to one that some coaches have a working relationship with, and the team does like makes a difference.

If this team is signing him thinking they are "challenging .500" they are off by about 15-20 games. There isn't any world we go 81-81 this year. 75 and 87 sure, but 81-81 simply is not happening with this pitching staff. It would take tremendous break outs from the young players and health just to get to 75, and we'd all be thrilled I'd imagine.

3 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

If this team is signing him thinking they are "challenging .500" they are off by about 15-20 games. There isn't any world we go 81-81 this year. 75 and 87 sure, but 81-81 simply is not happening with this pitching staff. It would take tremendous break outs from the young players and health just to get to 75, and we'd all be thrilled I'd imagine.

And the putrid looking rotation is going to put a kibosh on any chance of .500 happening.

22 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

No, by my reasoning this team is cheap as f*** running historically low payrolls after adjusted for revenues... so saying 1.2 million for 4 weeks is nothing doesn't align with the way this team behaves. They had to trade a player to sign a player.

So, this isn't about bad allocation of resources, this is about you being mad about the team generally being cheap during a rebuild. It's actually a good allocation of resources, even for a rebuilding team. I think most here would have high fived each other to have signed McGuire in 2024 instead of Maldonado.

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

So, this isn't about bad allocation of resources, this is about you being mad about the team generally being cheap during a rebuild. It's actually a good allocation of resources, even for a rebuilding team. I think most here would have high fived each other to have signed McGuire in 2024 instead of Maldonado.

You can’t really compare a typical signing like McGuire that any GM could make to the epic stupidity of Getz deciding to overpay old man Maldonado $5 million dollars. The only reason the McGuire signing would excite anyone in comparison is because the Maldonado signing was so ridiculously stupid.

Edited March 23Mar 23 by WhiteSox2023

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Is this an actual situation you're referring to, or are you rehashing a weeks old argument with somebody on this board? Did Getz give a teary-eyed interview where he said they can't cut Benintendi because they can't afford a replacement, or did somebody here just toss that out in a back and forth?

You seem to take some off-hand excuse from one of the commenters, then automatically assign it to the Front Office as their creed.

You seem to be some off-hand excuse for the front office, that we are supposed to automatically accept as their creed.

12 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

If this team is signing him thinking they are "challenging .500" they are off by about 15-20 games. There isn't any world we go 81-81 this year. 75 and 87 sure, but 81-81 simply is not happening with this pitching staff. It would take tremendous break outs from the young players and health just to get to 75, and we'd all be thrilled I'd imagine.

Well, if they got those tremendous break outs, a couple of games bounce our way, and we're at 52-56 towards the end of July, I'd call that "challenging .500". And really, being 20 games off is winning 61 games. I'm pretty confident they're not doing that again.

I've been a broken record about 75+ wins this season.

1 hour ago, Nardiwashere said:

lol.... why are you trying to pretend Benintendi is on the team because they are paying Reese McGuire 1.5x the league minimum?

That's literally the point. We COULD do things to improve the team, but we get oversold on a move like this that HAD to be made, meanwhile other moves that would help the team more in both the short AND long term get ignored, but that's NBD because we somehow can't.

31 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

No, by my reasoning this team is cheap as f*** running historically low payrolls after adjusted for revenues... so saying 1.2 million for 4 weeks is nothing doesn't align with the way this team behaves. They had to trade a player to sign a player.

Meanwhile LF still exists.

2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

That's literally the point. We COULD do things to improve the team, but we get oversold on a move like this that HAD to be made, meanwhile other moves that would help the team more in both the short AND long term get ignored, but that's NBD because we somehow can't.

What are you talking about? They preferred one guy to be the 2nd-3rd catcher on the team over another guy. That's it. Its so insignificant. Who is "overselling" anyone on this move?

1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

Meanwhile LF still exists.

Is this a bit? Explain how this has anything to do with LF.

They chose a catcher making $1.2 over a catcher making $800k. That's a difference of $400k, which is half of the league minimum. AND that assumes they aren't recouping some of that money by trading Lee for cash considerations. AND that assumes they don't trade McGuire eventually and have to pay his entire salary.

What impact does that have on LF? What were they going to do with that additional $0-$400,000 to fix LF? You think JR was cool with dropping Benintendi's $30+ million dollars before they signed McGuire and this changed it? Are you delusional?

Edited March 23Mar 23 by Nardiwashere

10 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

What are you talking about? They preferred one guy to be the 2nd-3rd catcher on the team over another guy. That's it. Its so insignificant. Who is "overselling" anyone on this move?

Is this a bit? Explain how this has anything to do with LF.

They chose a catcher making $1.2 over a catcher making $800k. That's a difference of $400k, which is half of the league minimum. AND that assumes they aren't recouping some of that money by trading Lee for cash considerations. AND that assumes they don't trade McGuire eventually and have to pay his entire salary.

What impact does that have on LF? What were they going to do with that additional $0-$400,000 to fix LF? You think JR was cool with dropping Benintendi's $30+ million dollars before they signed McGuire and this changed it? Are you delusional?

They are paying Andrew Benintendi the same amount of money over the next two years, on the exact same schedule, whether they cut him today, tomorrow, or run his contract completely out with his corpse in LF. Pretending we are doing this move at C because we might be competitive in 2026, and then running Benny out there in LF is completely contradictory. There were literally lectures about the White Sox not being able to afford to replace him, complete with BS about budgets and everything else, yet this move happens and what would have had a MUCH bigger impact on the quality of the roster just rots on the vine for essentially the same cost.

You will have to excuse me if I don't just gobble up the company line here.

And when everyone gets on about how people react to the teams moves, this is EXACTLY why. Frankly it is insulting to pretend otherwise.

1 hour ago, Nardiwashere said:

No one is arguing they aren't cheap. It's embarrassing/pathetic that they have such a low payroll and probably had to move Robert's $20 million before doing other things this offseason.

That said, even for their cheap asses, this isn't a lot of money. So I'm not sure why it matters, especially if your complaint is stinginess, that they prefer to pay a backup $1.2 million vs $800,000.

Still not understanding how 1.2 million for 4 weeks isn't a lot to a cheap ass organization.

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

So, this isn't about bad allocation of resources, this is about you being mad about the team generally being cheap during a rebuild. It's actually a good allocation of resources, even for a rebuilding team. I think most here would have high fived each other to have signed McGuire in 2024 instead of Maldonado.

My guy, no one is high fiving anyone over a Reese McGuire signing. My goodness you have some crazy takes.

a) The team makes an innocuous move
b) there is a cross-section of reactions, both positive and negative. Nothing crazy, just "why are they doing this?" to "yeah, I can see why"
c) the afternoon shift clocks in, and months old resentments are dredged up over something some commenter said about an unrelated thing
d) people wonder why the big reaction
e) the positive people are either insulting everyone by not agreeing with month old argument, or just plain stoopid for not connecting two unrelated complaints

9 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

a) The team makes an innocuous move
b) there is a cross-section of reactions, both positive and negative. Nothing crazy, just "why are they doing this?" to "yeah, I can see why"
c) the afternoon shift clocks in, and months old resentments are dredged up over something some commenter said about an unrelated thing
d) people wonder why the big reaction
e) the positive people are either insulting everyone by not agreeing with month old argument, or just plain stoopid for not connecting two unrelated complaints

Why can’t it be that some posters simply disagree with you? Also, I’m not sure how one can truly be positive or negative over a Spanky McGuire signing. The Cubs signed this guy to a minor league deal in January 2025. He doesn’t really move the needle either way over Lee, IMO. And that’s the point some posters are trying to make. Hell, the shame factor associated with McGuire alone almost makes me rather have Lee as our backup catcher. 🤣

Meanwhile, you tried to make the argument that this McGuire signing by Getz looks great in comparison to one of the worst backup catcher signings also made by Getz when he overpaid a 37-year old Maldonado $4.25 million guaranteed US dollars.

No, this McGuire signing does not look any better just because you compared it to one of the worst backup catcher signings in recent history.

Edited March 23Mar 23 by WhiteSox2023

6 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Why can’t it be that some posters simply disagree with you?

Also, I’m not sure how one can truly be positive or negative over a Spanky McGuire signing. The Cubs signed this guy to a minor league deal in January 2025. He doesn’t really move the needle either way over Lee. And that’s the point some posters are trying to make. Hell, the shame factor associated with McGuire alone almost makes me rather have Lee as our backup catcher. 🤣

Yeah, I'm certainly not mourning at Korey Lee's white sox gravestone. I just truly can't understand paying reese for 4 weeks to also be bad. But he's probably less bad, which honestly starts to make sense since that's the moto for this year. "We stink, but we're probably less bad!"

The high fiving over his signing comment is ranking up there with the turnstiles breaking from fan overload when the Sox called up Elko.

Maybe Getz trades Lee to Pittsburgh for Clevinger. This time could be the charm.

5 hours ago, WestEddy said:

My point is shooting down the "every single move must build towards the next championship" canard. There is a season right in front of them that has to be played. We're talking about a backup catcher. Chris Widger was a prototypical backup catcher. Utile. I'm guessing McGuire doesn't see August in a Sox uniform. Cutting or trading him, it doesn't matter. If Reese McGuire doesn't "build towards the next championship", then Korey Lee does even less of it.

It's like they signed him to the prorated equivalent of a $7-7.5 million dollar deal if he's gone in one month...in terms of value.

45 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Yeah, I'm certainly not mourning at Korey Lee's white sox gravestone. I just truly can't understand paying reese for 4 weeks to also be bad. But he's probably less bad, which honestly starts to make sense since that's the moto for this year. "We stink, but we're probably less bad!"

The high fiving over his signing comment is ranking up there with the turnstiles breaking from fan overload when the Sox called up Elko.

That was from new friends and extended family banging down the gates...

Edited March 24Mar 24 by caulfield12

Even mlbtraderumors can't make sense of it.

"Lee is out of minor league options and sending either Teel or Quero down to Triple-A doesn’t seem to be in Chicago’s long-term interest (unless either is really struggling), so it creates an interesting question as to what will happen when Teel is healthy and the Sox are juggling four backstops.

For now, McGuire will suit up for his former team and look to provide his usual solid glovework.  A top prospect back during his time in the Pirates’ farm system, McGuire has settled into a journeyman/backup type of career, playing for six different organizations during his career.  McGuire has hit .248/.293/.374 with 25 homers over 1178 career plate appearances, with nine of those home runs coming last year with the Cubs (as part of a .226/.245/.444 slash line in 140 PA)."