Really interesting statistics here to keep in mind as we potentially transition from being sellers to buyers.

This doesn't mean "don't be afraid to trade prospects because they don't pan out". This means "teams don't trade their good prospects".

10 minutes ago, striker said:

This doesn't mean "don't be afraid to trade prospects because they don't pan out". This means "teams don't trade their good prospects".

Except for Wood Jr., CJ Abrams, M.Gore and Leo de Vries…

And the opposite side of it:

“In my opinion one of the greatest trade deadlines not just in the history of baseball, but maybe the greatest in the history of sports. If you disagree please tell me a time a GM traded for the equivalent of the NLDS MVP (if they gave one out it would have gone to Joc Pederson), the NLCS MVP (Dodger killer Eddie Rosario), and the World Series MVP (Jorge Soler) before the trade deadline.”

Edited Monday at 12:59 PM3 days by caulfield12

4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Except for Wood Jr., CJ Abrams, M.Gore and Leo de Vries…

Preller trades don't count

The problem is even if they don't pan out, they are still worth something - mainly the ability to have used in another trade. Hahn showed how tight the inventory was when he was already dipping into major league 'surplus' to balance the roster in '21 (lynn, kimbrel trades) and had nothing left that was plausibly valuable in 22 to get a difference maker.

Shorter version - there is still in opportunity cost in that you can't trade them more than once, so you better be sure you target the right upgrades.

Opened forum on the shitter this morning "trade haul reflections" is first thing I see and think oh boy we made a bunch of big deals! Nope.

11 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Opened forum on the shitter this morning "trade haul reflections" is first thing I see and think oh boy we made a bunch of big deals! Nope.

Oh you don’t like our trades talk? Maybe you should go out and make a trade big guy, then we will talk about it better!

13 hours ago, hi8is said:

Really interesting statistics here to keep in mind as we potentially transition from being sellers to buyers.

But some of the ones that do turn out - hoo boy! The Sox have made some epically stupid trades of prospects that really turned out. Another example is that total douchebag that the Mets traded to the North Siders.

Does this mean I think the Sox should have a cowardly approach to trading prospects at this year's deadline? NO! But there's a ton of weight behind some of the 2 to 3 that do turn out. Getz has his work cut out for him this week: help put the Sox over the top while not becoming Kenny 2.0.

Edited Monday at 04:44 PM2 days by 77 Hitmen

10 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Oh you don’t like our trades talk? Maybe you should go out and make a trade big guy, then we will talk about it better!

TBH, ontologically I've never agreed with Trade Winds as a sub forum of Pale Hose Talk.

5 hours ago, striker said:

This doesn't mean "don't be afraid to trade prospects because they don't pan out". This means "teams don't trade their good prospects".

Bingo. Hopefully Getz trades and keeps the right assets.

2 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Opened forum on the shitter this morning "trade haul reflections" is first thing I see and think oh boy we made a bunch of big deals! Nope.

At least you’re regular still. Count your blessings.

5 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said:

TBH, ontologically I've never agreed with Trade Winds as a sub forum of Pale Hose Talk.

Well it took me a long time to figure out this new forum s%*# so you better lie and say you love it

20 hours ago, hi8is said:

Really interesting statistics here to keep in mind as we potentially transition from being sellers to buyers.

Can't read the article, but one wonders what criteria he is using for 'prospect' vs 'farmhand' and how 'prospects' generally turn out. Maybe he made that comparison.

"Ryan was one of the survivors of the Twins' 2025 trade deadline fire sale that saw nearly 40% of the club's active roster dealt. The Boston Red Sox had interest in acquiring Ryan, and a recent report from Alex Speier of the Boston Globe revealed that Boston was willing to trade their top two prospects (shortstop Franklin Arias and left-hander Payton Tolle) to Minnesota for Ryan.

Even though Ryan is one of the top starting pitchers in baseball, the MLB world ripped the Twins for turning down the Red Sox's offer for the star right-hander."

My issue with the Sox and their approach to trades or free agency is they waste money and assets to get marginally better. If you're going to trade just a few chips to pick up like 3 more games and maybe be marginally more competitive in round 1 don't bother. Save the money and chips for the off-season and go all in (or wait to do it the following year or that when you feel the time is right). That's one thing Preller seems to understand, if you're gonna swing, swing for the fences otherwise you're just showing enough effort to justify keeping your job but you don't have a viable strategy for legitimately winning it all and at the end that's all that matters.

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by mac9001