2 hours ago, JoeCredeYes said:

Let Beni walk and rotate in Bonemer and Roch with a rotating DH until they hopefully prove they are every day players

This is absurd. Totally with you on arb years though.

15 minutes ago, hi8is said:

This is absurd. Totally with you on arb years though.

Absurd how? I just think you have enough positional versatility that you can keep Mune, Chase, Colson, Vargas, Roch, Caleb and Antman and play matchups and give guys days off without rostering a Beni full time DH type.

Edited 3 hours ago3 hr by JoeCredeYes
Listed Sam twice

4 minutes ago, JoeCredeYes said:

Absurd how? I just think you have enough positional versatility that you can keep Mune, Chase, Colson, Vargas, Sam, Roch, Caleb and Antman and play matchups and give guys days off without rostering a Beni full time DH type.

Both Sam and Antman?

1 minute ago, oldsox said:

Both Sam and Antman?

My bad, making the gamethread at the same time!

19 hours ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

With all due respect, this is absolutely insane.

Depends on a lot of things. Bonemer and Cholowsky on the horizon as RH sources of talent.

If JR is still around and the resolved CBA didn't help much, which it likely won't being a big market team then it's act like the Rays until Ishbia is owner. Then you can operate differently hopefully. Still have to keep restocking the farm and you already have seen what a massive influx of young talent can do . Mune may be out the door too.

So much changes from year to year especially if you find out your talent wants to test the FA waters. Better to trade them and restock the farm especially when it could be years before we see any talent graduate from Latin America. That's a huge part of our talent pipeline that could not be fixed in a short period of time nor is the financial situation ideal when JR is still owner.

16 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

The payroll should have plenty of room to grow next year. We have like $70M committed for five guys (Castillo, Murakami, Benitendi, Hicks, & Kay) plus three arb guys in Vargas, Doyle, & Brazoban. Everyone else is pre-arb for at least one more season.

Not a ton of needs either. Adding a high-end SP is a must. A leverage reliever would be nice, especially if Newcomb departs. Other than that, you’re mostly looking at bench pieces and maybe a swing man…which are low cost things.

This offseason is the time to spend big on a SP. And if they can’t turn Schultz or one of the other young arms into a quality starter, they will likely have to trade for one at some point too. That’s where the positional depth comes into play.

So we'll have Castillo, Burke, Kay and Martin for next year. Add one FA (Trevor Rogers? Should be reasonable price; very good, except for a ghastly 2024). And you're right, out of Schultz, Sandlin, Vasil, hopefully Taylor and other candidates, they can find one starter; although 2 or 3 would be better to have some depth. And they'll lose Castillo and Kay for 2028, so they will need some guys to step in.

7 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

You gotta try. Make them continue to say no

You’re paying both Colson and Vargas with Cholowski and Bonemer coming? I’ll believe that when I see it.

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8 hours ago, Texsox said:

The process is you have a surplus at one position and you use it to strengthen the position where you have a deficit.

You go into that with an open mind and make everyone available. You may prefer to trade player A but if the haul is appreciably better for player B, you make that trade.

The process is followed regardless of the player names involved. It's a lot like any other forms of investing. Don't get too attached to the equity. It's just part of the inventory.

Totally a laundry guy myself. But anyway , that’s what a GM has to be.

6 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said:

You’re paying both Colson and Vargas with Cholowski and Bonemer coming? I’ll believe that when I see it.

I don't think it ends up happening unless Vargas takes some kind of discount. But still have to try

5 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said:

If Vargas is worth a haul, extending him with the amount of talent in the pipeline is questionable. You’re paying both Colson and Vargas with Cholowski and Bonemer coming? I’ll believe that when I see it.

Yeah, that's the point I was trying to make. Nothing needs to happen until Roch and/or Caleb force one of the current guys out of the lineup and cheap controllable depth is a good thing. I also need to see Roch at a big league level play as good or better a SS as Colson does before I'm moving Colson's elite glove from SS.

10 minutes ago, JoeCredeYes said:

Yeah, that's the point I was trying to make. Nothing needs to happen until Roch and/or Caleb force one of the current guys out of the lineup and cheap controllable depth is a good thing. I also need to see Roch at a big league level play as good or better a SS as Colson does before I'm moving Colson's elite glove from SS.

Assuming the guys in the minors will pan out. That will be determined in the thinking. I know Colson is not there yet, but neither Colson Vargas wouldn’t have much leverage in this situation to talk about contracts any time soon (or even later). Unless Cholowski and Bonemer crater. And Vargas’value might be pretty high on the trade market going forward. Would this winter be too soon to trade Vargas, yeah I agree, probably. Hopefully he retained his value through the trade deadline when we know more.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by Chick Mercedes

2 hours ago, JoeCredeYes said:

Absurd how? I just think you have enough positional versatility that you can keep Mune, Chase, Colson, Vargas, Roch, Caleb and Antman and play matchups and give guys days off without rostering a Beni full time DH type.

It’s absurd to propose bringing Rich and Bonemer up and having them split time at DH “until they prove they can hit.”

That would be the most ridiculous way to handle the development of our two top positional prospects.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by hi8is

8 minutes ago, hi8is said:

It’s absurd to propose bringing Rich and Bonemer up and having them split time at DH “until they prove they can hit.”

That would be the most ridiculous way to handle the development of our two top positional prospects.

I'm not saying to have those 2 guys split DHing duties. I'm saying don't have a DH only player on the roster so you can use it to get more RH or LH bats in the lineup, rotate off days from all the IF to keep guys fresh, etc.

36 minutes ago, JoeCredeYes said:

I'm not saying to have those 2 guys split DHing duties. I'm saying don't have a DH only player on the roster so you can use it to get more RH or LH bats in the lineup, rotate off days from all the IF to keep guys fresh, etc.

I still don’t like the idea of taking our two best positional prospects and disrupting them from a rhythm. Roch should be starting every day at short and Bonemer should be starting wherever they think he is most likely to excel - may that be at third or in left.

If he doesn’t have the chops to cut it in the field then and only then would I be ok with them allowing him to be our DH.