Yesterday at 02:12 PM1 day Merkin's story:https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/5-offseason-questions-for-white-sox
Yesterday at 07:56 PM1 day -With all that information processed, the White Sox will add here from the outside. I wouldn’t expect Tarik Skubal to be on their free-agent radar, but money will be spent in this area.O’RLLY? Edited yesterday at 07:57 PM1 day by Chick Mercedes
Yesterday at 08:06 PM1 day He SHOULD be, but yeah, we all know better as long as Jerry is still signing checks.
21 hours ago21 hr 3 hours ago, Chick Mercedes said:-With all that information processed, the White Sox will add here from the outside. I wouldn’t expect Tarik Skubal to be on their free-agent radar, but money will be spent in this area.O’RLLY?
19 hours ago19 hr Realistically adding an ace probably doesn't help this rotation as much as adding two mid rotation guys for the same money.
19 hours ago19 hr 11 minutes ago, Texsox said:Realistically adding an ace probably doesn't help this rotation as much as adding two mid rotation guys for the same money.Getz already added his “ace” in Castillo so it will probably be one mid-rotation signing and banking on kids.
19 hours ago19 hr I don't remember Getz describing him as an ace. I could see a free agent and a infielder trade adding two arms.
19 hours ago19 hr 11 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:Getz already added his “ace” in Castillo so it will probably be one mid-rotation signing and banking on kids.Big difference between a 2/3 and 4/5 as well.The number of mid rotation pitchers in that $15-20 million range is going to be pretty darned limited.You've got Skubal Peralta King Rogers Mahle Griffin and then it really starts to fall off to guys more likely to just provide you bulk innings.
18 hours ago18 hr 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:Big difference between a 2/3 and 4/5 as well.The number of mid rotation pitchers in that $15-20 million range is going to be pretty darned limited.You've got Skubal Peralta King Rogers Mahle Griffin and then it really starts to fall off to guys more likely to just provide you bulk innings.I'm expecting Mize because he'll be cheaper and they'll hope for a lighting in the bottle signing. That Castillo money on the books really does hurt. Edited 18 hours ago18 hr by wegner
18 hours ago18 hr Obviously easier said than done, but trading for a TOR arm should be the #1 priority of the off-season for Getz. Adding depth (DH, RP, Backend SP) in free agency should be the easy part. Sadly I just still don’t expect this organization to be highest bidder on the few available top free agents
17 hours ago17 hr Author 33 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said:Obviously easier said than done, but trading for a TOR arm should be the #1 priority of the off-season for Getz.Adding depth (DH, RP, Backend SP) in free agency should be the easy part. Sadly I just still don’t expect this organization to be highest bidder on the few available top free agentsYour probably right.
17 hours ago17 hr 12 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:Your probably right.Trading Colson isn't going to get you a ToR arm...So Bonemer +++ depending on MLB proven profile as a frontline starter...
16 hours ago16 hr 24 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:Trading Colson isn't going to get you a ToR arm...So Bonemer +++ depending on MLB proven profile as a frontline starter...No way. We have the ammo to get an arm without giving up a major chip.Carlson, Schultz, Antonocci, McDougal, Sandlin, Martin, Wolkow, Bergolla, QueroNot saying we are going up get a top 10 arm with a package of 4/5 of them…but a very good SP
16 hours ago16 hr 28 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said:No way. We have the ammo to get an arm without giving up a major chip.Carlson, Schultz, Antonocci, McDougal, Sandlin, Martin, Wolkow, Bergolla, QueroNot saying we are going up get a top 10 arm with a package of 4/5 of them…but a very good SP8 of those players have lost value from Opening Day...all but Antonacciyou can argue about Sandlinbut generally selling low on assets and buying high or close to peak doesn't work out very welland Antonacci has more value at 2Btrading Meidroth at an all-time high and moving Antonacci is more logical but everyone will scream Chase is too important to move now and was in many ways the co MVP with Vargas Edited 16 hours ago16 hr by caulfield12
7 hours ago7 hr 8 hours ago, caulfield12 said:8 of those players have lost value from Opening Day...all but Antonacciyou can argue about Sandlinbut generally selling low on assets and buying high or close to peak doesn't work out very welland Antonacci has more value at 2Btrading Meidroth at an all-time high and moving Antonacci is more logical but everyone will scream Chase is too important to move now and was in many ways the co MVP with VargasHow did Carlson lose value? He had a .380+ OBP at 19 in A ball with great SS D. No one with sense is panicking because the power isn’t there yet.
7 hours ago7 hr 4 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said:How did Carlson lose value? He had a .380+ OBP at 19 in A ball with great SS D. No one with sense is panicking because the power isn’t there yet.Injuries injuries injuries.It's like saying Roch is worth now than he was on draft day.Nobody said panic.I just noted that his trade value hasn't increased as a result of all the missed game action. Edited 7 hours ago7 hr by caulfield12
6 hours ago6 hr 9 hours ago, TheFutureIsNear said:No way. We have the ammo to get an arm without giving up a major chip.Carlson, Schultz, Antonocci, McDougal, Sandlin, Martin, Wolkow, Bergolla, QueroNot saying we are going up get a top 10 arm with a package of 4/5 of them…but a very good SPDon't quit your day job. We seem to undervalue the economics of pitching.The development year was put on hold. I think they will do the usual low risk signings, probably another Fedde type.I still don't trust Getz when it comes to trading.
4 hours ago4 hr 14 hours ago, Texsox said:Realistically adding an ace probably doesn't help this rotation as much as adding two mid rotation guys for the same money.No offense, but that’s something Kenny Williams might say
4 hours ago4 hr Just now, Chick Mercedes said:No offense, but that’s something Kenny Williams might sayNo offense taken. You are absolutely spot on in that assessment. Kenny Williams put together a World Series winning team by assembling a very strong starting rotation without a hall of fame guy out front. Freddy, Jose, El Duque, Mark, and Jon.
2 hours ago2 hr 2 hours ago, Texsox said:No offense taken. You are absolutely spot on in that assessment. Kenny Williams put together a World Series winning team by assembling a very strong starting rotation without a hall of fame guy out front. Freddy, Jose, El Duque, Mark, and Jon.I know, but nothing sustained. Unless the money is somehow expertly invested in long term youth. Doesn’t grow on trees. I think the Sox need to grow out of the value game, and swim in a bigger pond , earn their new ballpark and start landing big fishes
2 hours ago2 hr 20 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said:I know, but nothing sustained. Unless the money is somehow expertly invested in long term youth. Doesn’t grow on trees. I think the Sox need to grow out of the value game, and swim in a bigger pond , earn their new ballpark and start landing big fishesI am not certain what sustainable means in today's game. Just looking at this century the Rangers lost back to back World Series and the Dodgers won back to back. The Royals appeared in back to back. But most of the teams made an appearance and didn't reach the series again for a while. Sustained, maybe the Astros and Dodgers have sustained, the Giants had a few good year, but that's five or six teams out of 30. So sustained is elusive for most franchises. How would signing a couple of big contracts, especially pitchers, create a more sustainable success?
2 hours ago2 hr 1 minute ago, Texsox said:I am not certain what sustainable means in today's game. Just looking at this century the Rangers lost back to back World Series and the Dodgers won back to back. The Royals appeared in back to back. But most of the teams made an appearance and didn't reach the series again for a while. Sustained, maybe the Astros and Dodgers have sustained, the Giants had a few good year, but that's five or six teams out of 30. So sustained is elusive for most franchises. How would signing a couple of big contracts, especially pitchers, create a more sustainable success?Sustained could also be competing for the playoffs most years for small market teams like SD CLE TB MIL.Atlanta has definitely had sustained success as an organization as well.Houston, obviously.Another example would be the Twins from 2001-2010.
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