BrandoFan Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Even when he has a "bad season", he hits bombs and drives in runs. Since he got "all right" in June (his bat look a little slow in April in particular), he was a 1000 OPS player for the remaining of the year. But his symbolic value to this franchise must also be considered. 3-4 more good Frank seasons and he will be a first ballot HOF'er. Sox must win 2004 and nothing short of Perez having a excellent seasons is going to get it done. Can we count on it? I am high on him, but even I am sceptical. Why would people want him and his 6 Mill out of town this badly? Perez is not going to get it done, and he is simply not worth Miller AND Jackson, especially not in a pitcher's park in the NL where he'd have to play 1B, so Dodgers would laugh at this offer. It looks like this trade is not in the interests of either team. Forget it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 The media in this town would praise the Sox for dumping Thomas. You don't really believe that do you? Maybe if the deal was fair or in the Sox's favor, but not for Perez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 You don't really believe that do you? Maybe if the deal was fair or in the Sox's favor, but not for Perez. Yeah, I think many of the media view Thomas as a clubhouse cancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Yeah, I think many of the media view Thomas as a clubhouse cancer. Like who? Mariotti, he's a hypocrite. He'll b**** and whine about Frank, but if the Sox's would really trade him, he'd b**** and whine about that. Infact most of the media are hypocrites and no matter what they say now, if Frank really was traded they'd make it out into another "white flag" trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black jack Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 what if the trade got a bit bigger? frank for OD and a prospect AND they take paulie off our hands and we take weaver off of theirs? the kid could bounce back in a big way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 I dunno....2 years ago, I take a chance on Jeff Weaver....now, I'm just tired of hearing his name in the same sentence as the White Sox. I'd rather have a guy like Paulie who had one bad year, but is a true White Sox type player, than a complete headcase like Weaver. Edited to say, welcome black jack!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 This is probably entirely unfair but, when I hear "Odalis Perez", I think "Jamie Navarro". Trading Frank Thomas straight up for this guy just doesn't make any sense. Trading Konerko straight up for him even causes hesitancy on my part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 what if the trade got a bit bigger? frank for OD and a prospect AND they take paulie off our hands and we take weaver off of theirs? the kid could bounce back in a big way. Welcome BJ........ Just say no to Weaver. He can't bounce back because he was never better than decent in the first place. He had one year that might qualify as solid, but the bottom line is you don't want a guy whose ceiling is your #4 starter making $8 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Perez for Thomas is highway robbery - for the Dodgers. That would be the stupidest trade in Sox history. Unless Jackson is involved, forget about it. Plus, I thought I read that some "Billy Beane" clone was close to taking over as GM for the Dodgers. If that's the case, then I could see Perez for Thomas straight up, since Beane has a history of making Kenny look silly, and his clones might do the same. However, if Kenny is going to try to trade Thomas just because he didn't return phone calls, then KW's a dolt and a moron of gigantic proportions. All respect I've gained for him over the last 2 years will be flushed down the s***ter. For once, I hope Reinsdorf sticks his ugly face into the situation, and then nixes the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Oh come on, you people make KW sound like a complete dumbass. Granted he's made some bad moves, but he's not about to trade one of the greatest players in Sox history for s***, the media and fans would have his head and he knows it. Kenny does not like Frank. Kenny does not want Frank here. Kenny would trade Frank for a bag of peanuts. He already tried. It has NOTHING to do with Kenny's IQ. It's penis envy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bartman's my idol Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 This just in, KW believed he was getting Odalis Perez for Frank Thomas, but it turns out that it was Pascual Perez, the pitcher from the 80's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 This just in, KW believed he was getting Odalis Perez for Frank Thomas, but it turns out that it was Pascual Perez, the pitcher from the 80's. Or maybe even Melido Perez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bartman's my idol Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Tony Perez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 This just in, KW believed he was getting Odalis Perez for Frank Thomas, but it turns out that it was Pascual Perez, the pitcher from the 80's. I heard it was Rosie Perez... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 I heard it was Rosie Perez... LMAO!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 That's top shelf Steff... LMAO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Thank you, thank you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Yikes!!!! I wouldn't touch those. LoL Sorry got caught up in the excitement of the show...hehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bartman's my idol Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Rosie Perez is tough to top, unless you go by first name and you have Rosie O'Donnell or Rosie Palm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 It's penis envy. Well, then keep Kenny out of the clubhouse when Frank's showering and everything should be OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Perez for Thomas is highway robbery - for the Dodgers. That would be the stupidest trade in Sox history. Unless Jackson is involved, forget about it. On the bright side, it might allow Evans to keep his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 I heard it was Rosie Perez... If she plays topless I might do that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Kenny does not like Frank. Kenny does not want Frank here. Kenny would trade Frank for a bag of peanuts. He already tried. It has NOTHING to do with Kenny's IQ. It's penis envy. See this is what i'm talking about, only a very stupid GM would let his personal feelings make his decisions for him. I believe Kenny is a little smarter than that and would put team success over his personal goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 See this is what i'm talking about, only a very stupid GM would let his personal feelings make his decisions for him. I believe Kenny is a little smarter than that and would put team success over his personal goals. Well then Kenny is stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Well then Kenny is stupid. Yes, it is possible that KW is "stupid" based on some previous trades, but remember Steff he said he would make no trade unless it improved the Sox. One can only hope that he has matured as a GM and will not do something like the Big Hurt even up for Perez. I even extend that to Konerko even up for Perez because Paulie at least has a better history of production leaving out late 2002 and early 2003. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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