Rex Hudler Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Really? I thought I heard somewhere that if Crede needed a day off Valentin would play 3rd and the SS would be Uribe. That is very possible as well. His ability to play 2B, SS or 3B will give the Sox some flexibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Borchard has got to be the favorite to win the 4th OF if Bernard isn't ready. Unless KW has a quiet spring training deal up his sleeve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 I wanna see Joe make this team sooo much. I really think this kid is going to explode sooner or later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 from what i've seen so far i'd really be happy with valenzuela too... so if bernard doesnt bounce back here (which i'm actually hoping for) then i hope borch or mario get put up there. I think they both have a good shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Not sure what kind of CFer Mario V. would make but he has played there before, personally I thought he had made the team in '02 but they chose to go with Liefer instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 If we ever got into an emergency situation at 3B, Carlos Lee would be there before Gload. I'm sure. They just don't put lefties at 3B unless it's a Bill Veeck type of stunt. That would be funny as hell to see a lefty at 3B though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 That would be funny as hell to see a lefty at 3B though. Why is that? That there are no lefty 3rd baseman is all about old school thinking and laziness on the part of coaching staffs and nothing to do with actually playing the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 If Bernard isn't healthy, I expect Valenzuela to get the 4th OF spot. Borchard is considered a top prospect(top 10 in the organization still), so they will want to see if he can develop into a good power hitter, and Reed absolutely will not be a 4th OFer with us, leaving us with basically no other choice then Valenzuela. Part of me hopes Valenzuela gets it. I would love to see what he can do at the major league level, even if it is just as a 4th OFer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillieHarris2 Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 If Bernard isn't healthy, I expect Valenzuela to get the 4th OF spot. Borchard is considered a top prospect(top 10 in the organization still), so they will want to see if he can develop into a good power hitter, and Reed absolutely will not be a 4th OFer with us, leaving us with basically no other choice then Valenzuela. Part of me hopes Valenzuela gets it. I would love to see what he can do at the major league level, even if it is just as a 4th OFer. i also want to see what valenzuela can do at the major league level. i think he has the potential to succeed but he needs a chance and this is a great one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 Why is that? That there are no lefty 3rd baseman is all about old school thinking and laziness on the part of coaching staffs and nothing to do with actually playing the position. Excuse me, UNS, but what are you smoking? There is a very good reason there are no LH 3B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 From the article on the Sox website (linked in another thread) it sounds as if Gload, Borchard, Valenzuela (I mentioned him) or Bernard will win one spot. Kelly Dransfeldt, Bobby Smith or a third catcher (Burke or Riviera) will get the other spot. There is some sense in that since Harris can also play the OF. Going with another infielder will give them more flexibility and not make Uribe back up 2B, SS and 3B. Not sure it will go down that way, but I could see how it can make sense. I'd hate to have one infielder to cover all three positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 From the article on the Sox website (linked in another thread) it sounds as if Gload, Borchard, Valenzuela (I mentioned him) or Bernard will win one spot. Kelly Dransfeldt, Bobby Smith or a third catcher (Burke or Riviera) will get the other spot. There is some sense in that since Harris can also play the OF. Going with another infielder will give them more flexibility and not make Uribe back up 2B, SS and 3B. Not sure it will go down that way, but I could see how it can make sense. I'd hate to have one infielder to cover all three positions. If that's the case, and it sounds about right, my vote goes for Gload and Burke. Uribe can take the pinch hitting responsibilities when coming off the bench. Gload can be the fourth outfielder. Burke can cover third when need be, and be a third catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 Excuse me, UNS, but what are you smoking? There is a very good reason there are no LH 3B. Yes and I gave two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 Yes and I gave two. That there are no lefty 3rd baseman is all about old school thinking and laziness on the part of coaching staffs and nothing to do with actually playing the position. Still waiting on an actual good reason rather. I'll help you hear by letting you know why there are no LH 3B and why sometimes "old school thinking" actually makes sense after 130 or so years. A left-hander at 3B cannot make the throws necessary to play the position. He would be throwing against his body on any play other than one going to his left. There is no way a lefty can make throws charging bunts, and he could not make throws to second fast enough to turn a DP. So if you can explain to me how that is laziness and follow it up with a reason why those things don't matter, perhaps I'll listen. It might just be easier to put down the bottle and get some rest though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 Just for the sake of trivia, wasn't Mike Squires the last lefty to play 3B in a major league game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 That there are no lefty 3rd baseman is all about old school thinking and laziness on the part of coaching staffs and nothing to do with actually playing the position. Still waiting on an actual good reason rather. I'll help you hear by letting you know why there are no LH 3B and why sometimes "old school thinking" actually makes sense after 130 or so years. A left-hander at 3B cannot make the throws necessary to play the position. He would be throwing against his body on any play other than one going to his left. There is no way a lefty can make throws charging bunts, and he could not make throws to second fast enough to turn a DP. So if you can explain to me how that is laziness and follow it up with a reason why those things don't matter, perhaps I'll listen. It might just be easier to put down the bottle and get some rest though. That's just lazy not to teach him to throw right handed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 That there are no lefty 3rd baseman is all about old school thinking and laziness on the part of coaching staffs and nothing to do with actually playing the position. Still waiting on an actual good reason rather. I'll help you hear by letting you know why there are no LH 3B and why sometimes "old school thinking" actually makes sense after 130 or so years. A left-hander at 3B cannot make the throws necessary to play the position. He would be throwing against his body on any play other than one going to his left. There is no way a lefty can make throws charging bunts, and he could not make throws to second fast enough to turn a DP. So if you can explain to me how that is laziness and follow it up with a reason why those things don't matter, perhaps I'll listen. It might just be easier to put down the bottle and get some rest though. LOL! Spoken like a true righty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 LOL! Spoken like a true righty. You know UNS, I thought you were normal enough to be a righty, but after this discussion, there is no doubt that "flaky lefthander" fits. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 You know UNS, I thought you were normal enough to be a righty, but after this discussion, there is no doubt that "flaky lefthander" fits. ;-) Hey, I resemble that remark! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 Hey, I resemble that remark! If the shoe fits..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 That there are no lefty 3rd baseman is all about old school thinking and laziness on the part of coaching staffs and nothing to do with actually playing the position. Still waiting on an actual good reason rather. I'll help you hear by letting you know why there are no LH 3B and why sometimes "old school thinking" actually makes sense after 130 or so years. A left-hander at 3B cannot make the throws necessary to play the position. He would be throwing against his body on any play other than one going to his left. There is no way a lefty can make throws charging bunts, and he could not make throws to second fast enough to turn a DP. So if you can explain to me how that is laziness and follow it up with a reason why those things don't matter, perhaps I'll listen. It might just be easier to put down the bottle and get some rest though. Yeah, that's exactly why I said it would be funny. He'd have to adjust for every single throw. Obviously a lefty could play 3B, it just wouldn't be a very good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 Sorry dude. I'm just saying dont judge a man's abilities. I totally agree about him getting time in AAA because he is the future. I'd still rather see him or Mario than Borchard on the team. Again my apologies. Jeez, I was just thinking that I would like to see Borchard make the team as the 4th OF'er. He seems to be coming around as a hitter versus a free swinger. What's your idea why Joe shouldn't be with the team? Is it simply because he might need more time in AAA? Reed should plan on AAA this year just becasue he needs to develop and prove himself and improve himself. Joe can play all 3 positions and I think would get some good playing time under Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 QUOTE (upnorthsox @ Mar 8 2004, 01:54 PM) Yes and I gave two. That there are no lefty 3rd baseman is all about old school thinking and laziness on the part of coaching staffs and nothing to do with actually playing the position. Still waiting on an actual good reason rather. I'll help you hear by letting you know why there are no LH 3B and why sometimes "old school thinking" actually makes sense after 130 or so years. A left-hander at 3B cannot make the throws necessary to play the position. He would be throwing against his body on any play other than one going to his left. There is no way a lefty can make throws charging bunts, and he could not make throws to second fast enough to turn a DP. So if you can explain to me how that is laziness and follow it up with a reason why those things don't matter, perhaps I'll listen. It might just be easier to put down the bottle and get some rest though. Plus the fact that most lefties would be throwing a curve ball or some other junk to first base! As I said before they are left out of the right world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 He seems to be coming around as a hitter versus a free swinger. What's your idea why Joe shouldn't be with the team? Is it simply because he might need more time in AAA? Reed should plan on AAA this year just becasue he needs to develop and prove himself and improve himself. Joe can play all 3 positions and I think would get some good playing time under Ozzie. Wrong. Joe is going to be a great power hitter one day, but that's all I can see him being. He will be a free singer, have a ton of strikeouts, but will smash about 30-40 hrs. I don't think he'll have he average or walk total Reed will. Reed needs more time in AAA yes, but Borchard still has yet to figure it out. Mario V. has put on some consistant springs for us. I hope he makes the team. I rather see Reed get some at-bats in the bigs, but it'll be better for him to play regularly in AAA. Borchard should join him if he struggles as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillieHarris2 Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 i read in the daily hearld today that ozzie said something about Bernard it was something along the lines of "i havent gotten a chance to see him yet, but he wont be on my team this year. He needs to start thinking about his future or something" i saw this and realized what kind of opportunity this creates for Borchard and Mario V. my apologies if this was already posted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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