Ozzietheairedale Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Tonight was the last straw. Krotch should no longer be considered the closer. There needs to be a closer by committee until KW can find us a new one, probably around the trade deadline. Any time he's in, Ozzie needs to have someone warming up, just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Until he blows another save he is the closer. End of story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Baj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 did Koch get the save? yes.... case closed... he got the job done It doesnt matter what happened he got the job DONE he was pitching good they kept fouling them off and staying alive, he K'd two men i mean cmon.. bottom line is, until he stops getting the job done, leave his ass as the closer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Man Hands /that is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 I announced that Neal Cotts should have been in for the save, but is that just ludacris? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Until he blows another save he is the closer. End of story gotta agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 I consider this one a blown save just because it took a damn fine play by Uribe to win it. You use your best relievers in high-leverage innings. Marte is our best reliever so he should pitch our highest leverage innings AKA the 9th. Koch is one of our worst relievers so he should pitch the 7th inning at the LATEST unless the game is a blowout. It's not about how much money you earn, it's about how well you can pitch. Koch sometimes throws, nibbles, hurls, flings, and tosses but he does not pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 did Koch get the save? yes.... case closed... he got the job done It doesnt matter what happened he got the job DONE he was pitching good they kept fouling them off and staying alive, he K'd two men i mean cmon.. bottom line is, until he stops getting the job done, leave his ass as the closer OK, so leave him out there, knowing that every time he's out there, thinking, is THIS the one he's gonna blow? Please. I'll take the committee over this BS anyday. At least they all get a chance to prove themselves. Kock got the job done because Uribe saved his ass. Nothing more, nothing less. So Uribe got it done FOR him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 did Koch get the save? yes.... case closed... he got the job done It doesnt matter what happened he got the job DONE he was pitching good they kept fouling them off and staying alive, he K'd two men i mean cmon.. bottom line is, until he stops getting the job done, leave his ass as the closer have to agree with that too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 I consider this one a blown save just because it took a damn fine play by Uribe to win it. Play got made, Koch got the save. Whats the problem? Or do we no longer count SP W's when they get bailed out by the defense. This is a team game you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 I announced that Neal Cotts should have been in for the save, but is that just ludacris? Ludacris in concert is great (and yes I've seen him live ) Ludicrous are some baseball rules but only the last pitcher of record can get a save Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Play got made, Koch got the save. Whats the problem? Or do we no longer count SP W's when they get bailed out by the defense. This is a team game you know. You're right. But this living on the edge every time out is getting old. I'd prefer "routine" every once in a while and then maybe I wouldn't feel this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Koch is real itchy bad. However, you've gotta let him blow 2 a few in a row before you yank him from the roll. Closers are going to blow games from time to time, just human nature. Gagne is some sorta freak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Also walked the bad batters cuz he really wanted to face Tejada for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 You're right. But this living on the edge every time out is getting old. I'd prefer "routine" every once in a while and then maybe I wouldn't feel this way. So would I but as long as he gives up one less run than our lead he is doing his job and should remain the closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 You're right. But this living on the edge every time out is getting old. I'd prefer "routine" every once in a while and then maybe I wouldn't feel this way. Jean Shpeherd once wrote that if he needed some soldiers for an impossible in the face of death mission he would take only White Sox fans because they have faced death everyday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Also walked the bad batters cuz he really wanted to face Tejada for some reason. We win and Koch gets the save but we still need something to complain about. :banghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POTUSChris Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Yesterday Koch was great at getting the save and most people were excited and saying how maybe the Billy we traded for came back. Then he comes and has a bad inning and now you're complaining. Honestly, it's been a while since he had this bad of an inning...and you know what, we still won. He's doing better now than we was, so I say leave him as a closer. Don't freak out right away and pull him from the role it just makes matters worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 We win and Koch gets the save but we still need something to complain about. :banghead Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 BS????????? he got the damn save, bottom line.. i dont care how ugly it is... game over sox won.... geyt over it and be happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Still a save damnit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 have to agree with that too First off I agree billy is our closer until he blows another one, he's 4 of 5 in opportunities. Second, B.J. Surhoff is out on strikes if he doesn't argue with the umpire about strike two, the ump flinched and wanted to call that strike three. Billy got the job done, he let up two runs... yes, but got the job done. Also the only save he blew was a game when he came in with a three run lead. Today he also comes in with a three run lead. He's looked pretty damn good in the one run ball games. Billy seems to lose a little bit of a mental edge when he comes in with a bigger lead, which he has to get over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flippedoutpunk Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 He has been doin good so far its just one shakey outing but he still got the save. If Jesus himself was a closer i'd bet that he would throw a couple beachballs every now and then too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 First off I agree billy is our closer until he blows another one, he's 4 of 5 in opportunities. Second, B.J. Surhoff is out on strikes if he doesn't argue with the umpire about strike two, the ump flinched and wanted to call that strike three. Billy got the job done, he let up two runs... yes, but got the job done. Also the only save he blew was a game when he came in with a three run lead. Today he also comes in with a three run lead. He's looked pretty damn good in the one run ball games. Billy seems to lose a little bit of a mental edge when he comes in with a bigger lead, which he has to get over. and I have to agree with that too -- sure hope Koch can learn to stand prosperity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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