Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 I was watching the Twins game and they just said Rick (Rich?) Helling, the old Texas guy, pitched a 4 hit shutout for their minor league team yesterday, then quit the organization because he wants a major league contract, and his deal with the Twins allows him to walk. We could do worse, obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 I believe wite posted this in the sports bar as well about Helling being a candidate. Wouldn't hurt IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 That's a marvelous idea -- I'll be there June 12th to watch him pitch -- Get it done KW, I know you're reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Get it done KW, I know you're reading. We can only hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 I'll be there June 12th to watch him pitch -- I'd doubt that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 I'd doubt that. No, I'll be there, I have my tickets --- Its SIU alumni day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 No, I'll be there, I have my tickets --- Its SIU alumni day. No, I know you have tickets, but I doublt Helling will pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 No, I know you have tickets, but I doublt Helling will pitch. I'd say right now he has as good of a shot as any other pitcher in the sox organization... And that is the first day a 5th strter will be needed. Sure it's just some blind optimism on my part, but I think in the limitted role we have for him he would be a welcome addition. He was great out of the pen last year too. There are 5 starts we need a 5th starter for before the ASB. 4 before July 1 (when KW made his moves last year). 8 before the deadline. Helling can win 3 of those. that's the same as we won all last season from the 5 spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Wow, Rick Helling? I'd just as soon bring back Jim Parque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Wow, Rick Helling? I'd just as soon bring back Jim Parque. Right now, Helling > Cotts Helling > Diaz Helling > Adkins Helling > Grilli Helling > Rauch Helling > Wright I'm not advocating the guy as our #1 starter, but he's a MAJOR LEAGUE pitcher, who knows how to get guys out, get out of jams, and keep his team in games. I wouldn't pull off a trade for anyone like him, but the fact is that we don't have to. He won't cost much. He just wants to pitch at the major league level. We want a major league 5th starter. What's not to get? The guy's not Cy Young, but knows how to pitch. Which is the main problem off many on our staff. Who knows, I may be wrong. But I, Like KW i think, like to leave the fight with no more bullets left. I'm gonna go down swinging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Right now, Helling > Cotts Helling > Diaz Helling > Adkins Helling > Grilli Helling > Rauch Helling > Wright I'm not advocating the guy as our #1 starter, but he's a MAJOR LEAGUE pitcher, who knows how to get guys out, get out of jams, and keep his team in games. I wouldn't pull off a trade for anyone like him, but the fact is that we don't have to. He won't cost much. He just wants to pitch at the major league level. We want a major league 5th starter. What's not to get? The guy's not Cy Young, but knows how to pitch. Which is the main problem off many on our staff. Who knows, I may be wrong. But I, Like KW i think, like to leave the fight with no more bullets left. I'm gonna go down swinging. Good analysis and I agree with you. I think these position players want to see a proven major leaguer in there vs. a rookie experiment. I'm not saying their wishes should be automatically catered to, but I really feel these guys think they have a legit shot at the division and they want a veteran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Right now, Helling > Cotts Helling > Diaz Helling > Adkins Helling > Grilli Helling > Rauch Helling > Wright I'm not advocating the guy as our #1 starter, but he's a MAJOR LEAGUE pitcher, who knows how to get guys out, get out of jams, and keep his team in games. I wouldn't pull off a trade for anyone like him, but the fact is that we don't have to. He won't cost much. He just wants to pitch at the major league level. We want a major league 5th starter. What's not to get? The guy's not Cy Young, but knows how to pitch. Which is the main problem off many on our staff. Who knows, I may be wrong. But I, Like KW i think, like to leave the fight with no more bullets left. I'm gonna go down swinging. Rick Helling would make a decent reliever, perhaps. All of those guys that he is greater than on your list are also decent relievers (right now, anyway). Rick Helling is already 34 years old. He's been around forever. We have seen everything that he has to offer, and it's not much. Take his past three years, for example. 2001 w/Texas Rangers 34 GS 215 IP 256 Hits Allowed 63 Walks Allowed 1.48 WHIP 5.17 ERA .297 Opponents Batting Average 38 Home Runs Allowed 2002 w/ Arizona Diamondbacks 30 GS 175 IP 180 Hits Allowed 48 Walks Allowed 1.30 WHIP 4.51 ERA .264 Opponents Batting Average 31 Home Runs Allowed 2003 w/ Baltimore Orioles 24 GS 140 IP 156 Hits Allowed 40 Walks Allowed 1.41 WHIP 5.71 ERA .286 Opponents Batting Average Allowed 30 Home Runs Allowed The Home Runs Allowed are particularly disturbing. 30 allowed in only 140 IP pitched last year? I'd say that even Todd Ritchie is a better pitcher than Rick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Worth a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 I believe wite posted this in the sports bar as well about Helling being a candidate. Wouldn't hurt IMO. Let me get this Straight. Many here don't want Freddy Garcia cause he's a flyball pitcher and is 10,000,000 times the Pitcher. But you want Rick helling who is a Flyball pitcher and Hangs that Curveball like bats in a cave? To Helling :puke :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Well, If we can get a decent trade without giving up much for Garcia, (or a Sabathia/Sheets) then by all means f*** yea! But if no team is ready yet, it wouldn't hurt to give a guy a couple starts to see then he'll take it from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 I say GET HIM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Let me get this Straight. Many here don't want Freddy Garcia cause he's a flyball pitcher and is 10,000,000 times the Pitcher. But you want Rick helling who is a Flyball pitcher and Hangs that Curveball like bats in a cave? To Helling :puke :puke Garcia will cost 2 to 3 prospects or more -- Helling will cost only his salary. /perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Right now helling would just be one hell of a pick up. Not great by any means but serviceable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Right now helling would just be one hell of a pick up. Not great by any means but serviceable. If he's so serviceable why hasn't the Twins called him up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 If he's so serviceable why hasn't the Twins called him up? Seth Greisinger has taken his place in the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Seth Greisinger has taken his place in the rotation. So.. A no name takes his place and you still think he's serviceable? The twins don't trust him so why would the Sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 So.. A no name takes his place and you still think he's serviceable? The twins don't trust him so why would the Sox? Helling would hav been the #5 starter if he didn't get injured in spring training. They didn't count on Greisinger contributing in their rotation, hence they don't need Helling now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Maybe we can get this guy to be our Fifth starter Struggles a lil with control but doesn't give up homers, Check out his numbers in '90 http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rusieam01.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Helling has never been great, and he's been very questionable lately. But, he might fill in well enough till KW can pull off a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Helling has never been great, and he's been very questionable lately. But, he might fill in well enough till KW can pull off a deal. That is all i meant JoshPR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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