C.Rector Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 We've all seen the Sox's struggles at the 5th Starter position this year. As it happens, the Cincinnati Reds have also had this problem, but it appears to be solved for now due to the way that the Reds handled the situation. On June 8th, Jung Bong had his 1st ever MLB start. He gave up 4 Earned Runs in 3 1/3rd innings. Now, if Reds mgmt did things the way that Sox mgmt does, Bong would have been sent right down to the minors. However, they stuck with him and in his next 2 starts, Bong has gone 1-0 with his latest start a 3-hit 6 inning shutout against St. Louis on June 20th. What this shows is that the way for the Sox to fix the 5th starter problem is to be patient with whoever they put in that slot for at least 3-4 starts. Not this nonsense of having it that if they don't win right away, they get sent back down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 If the sox fifth starter gave up 4 earned runs in 3 1/3rd innings it would be an improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 If the sox fifth starter gave up 4 earned runs in 3 1/3rd innings it would be an improvement. LOL, good point there qwerty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 I seem to recall when Danny Wright was getting lit up, there wasn't much patience displayed around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 I seem to recall when Danny Wright was getting lit up, there wasn't much patience displayed around here. Which was an unfair judgement considering his injuries now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 If the sox fifth starter gave up 4 earned runs in 3 1/3rd innings it would be an improvement. wasn't that Rauch's last outing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 I think we should have stuck with Diaz for longer. We couldn't stick with Rauch for longer because the 5th starter spot wasn't coming up. If we can just LEAVE Rauch in the 5th spot until we make a trade, that would work just fine. Just leave him there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 I would not care at all for Jung Bung, but I would stick to Diaz, and Rauch for now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 If the sox fifth starter gave up 4 earned runs in 3 1/3rd innings it would be an improvement. haha ... it's sad, but true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 I would not care at all for Jung Bung I don't think that he meant we should get Bong, but rather that we should handle our young guys the same way that the Reds did with Bong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Nice f***ing research rector. We are treating guys just like Bong. His first career start was in Atlanta in 2002. He never saw action again in 2002. Was used exclusively out of the pen in 2003. Then was traded to another team in 2004. http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B04230ATL2002.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 I do like that they brought Rauch up a few days before the start. Let him get comfortable, instead of being dropped here from Mars. Let him know he's getting three starts before looking to hook em. Hell we're 0-8 from that spot. The only thing we haven't tried is leaving a healthy guy in there for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 I do like that they brought Rauch up a few days before the start. Let him get comfortable, instead of being dropped here from Mars. Let him know he's getting three starts before looking to hook em. Hell we're 0-8 from that spot. The only thing we haven't tried is leaving a healthy guy in there for a while. That or having a fan promotion "Be the Fifth Starter for a Night!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Or come in and try to pitch an inning and see how much you get shelled. See if you can beat 11 runs in 2 innings. Sheesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Or come in and try to pitch an inning and see how much you get shelled. See if you can beat 11 runs in 2 innings. Sheesh The sad thing is that people were actually excited to see munoz pitch. :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Hell I was excited to see him and he just wasn't ready. I don't blame Munoz at all. I think most of the blame lies on KW for not being able to take care of this problem b4 it even became a problem in the off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 What i can never understand is why do teams bring up starters from double- a. Did they forget that little thing called triple-a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 That or having a fan promotion "Be the Fifth Starter for a Night!" I thought that one guy was a fan It is scary how poorly everyone has done from that spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 What i can never understand is why do teams bring up starters from double- a. Did they forget that little thing called triple-a. Dontrelle Willis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 If Rauch or Diaz pitches instead of Munoz... we probably win that second MTL game, get the monkey off our back, and nobody is ready to push the panic button. It's funny how 1 game can make a huge difference on the spin on a club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Dontrelle Willis How often does someone like him come up from double-a. Didn't he actually start the very beginning of the season at single-a??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 If Rauch or Diaz pitches instead of Munoz... we probably win that second MTL game, get the monkey off our back, and nobody is ready to push the panic button. It's funny how 1 game can make a huge difference on the spin on a club. No doubt that either one of those to would have won that game. The most i can see them giving up would have been 5-6 which would still be bad, but not horrible like munoz was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 How often does someone like him come up from double-a. Didn't he actually start the very beginning of the season at single-a??? Right on. Plus, Munoz struggled whenever he went to Triple-A. That's something Willis didn't do (I think). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Right on. Plus, Munoz struggled whenever he went to Triple-A. That's something Willis didn't do (I think). Yeah i don't think willis was ever at triple-a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 How often does someone like him come up from double-a. Didn't he actually start the very beginning of the season at single-a??? That's the difference between an established player who makes $X+ and an unproven commodity that makes $X-- You pay for the experience and the safety in knowing what you will get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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