YASNY Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Yeah if Russ Ortiz is in the 11-12 mil/yr range, there is no doubt that Garcia has to be at least there, if not a notch above that. The sheer fact that we have our pitchers locked up at under market long term deals is a huge bonus for this team, as it gave them the cash to grab other players. If we had kept Olivo and Reed, and tried to sign a pitcher, we would be looking at probably having both Grilli and Diaz in the rotation next year. Yep. That trade sucked, didn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Yep. That trade sucked, didn't it? Sometimes you have to view trades outside of the box. Yes we gave up some quality players to get Garcia. But I look at it as basically Seattle has given us $3 million in cash, because we were able to get signed so cheaply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Yeah if Russ Ortiz is in the 11-12 mil/yr range, there is no doubt that Garcia has to be at least there, if not a notch above that. The sheer fact that we have our pitchers locked up at under market long term deals is a huge bonus for this team, as it gave them the cash to grab other players. If we had kept Olivo and Reed, and tried to sign a pitcher, we would be looking at probably having both Grilli and Diaz in the rotation next year. Ortiz signed in the $8 mil per range, not sure why that's so sick considering he's won 100 games the last 6 yrs. Garcia has won 85 and is making $9 mil per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Ortiz signed in the $8 mil per range, not sure why that's so sick considering he's won 100 games the last 6 yrs. Garcia has won 85 and is making $9 mil per. I have to admit, I went and looked at all the numbers and Ortiz is a better pitcher than I gave him credit for ... I also thought he signed for more money than he did. You make a good case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Ortiz signed in the $8 mil per range, not sure why that's so sick considering he's won 100 games the last 6 yrs. Garcia has won 85 and is making $9 mil per. I have no doubt that Russ Ortiz will suffer big time, away from Atlanta. I did just realize I was mixing up Glaus and Ortiz's contracts, that's where I got the $11 million a year from. Also wins are much more a product of the teams behind those particular players. Ortiz keeps playing on division winning teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 I have no doubt that Russ Ortiz will suffer big time, away from Atlanta. I did just realize I was mixing up Glaus and Ortiz's contracts, that's where I got the $11 million a year from. Also wins are much more a product of the teams behind those particular players. Ortiz keeps playing on division winning teams. The same things were said about Ortiz 2 yrs ago when we were looking to trade for him and all he's done is win 38 games in the 2 yrs since. I'm just a little surprised that many Sox fans don't seem to like him when he's pretty much a RH'ed Buehrle. Didn't Garcia play on some pretty damm good teams too? Give me a starter who knows how to "just win" anytime over your speedgun demons(read Kerry Wood). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted December 11, 2004 Author Share Posted December 11, 2004 braves fans dont even like russ ortiz and he walks way too many people and would get rocked in the AL especially in the Cell.... although he isnt a bad pitcher id rather spend the money on something else and im glad he isnt ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 The same things were said about Ortiz 2 yrs ago when we were looking to trade for him and all he's done is win 38 games in the 2 yrs since. I'm just a little surprised that many Sox fans don't seem to like him when he's pretty much a RH'ed Buehrle. Didn't Garcia play on some pretty damm good teams too? Give me a starter who knows how to "just win" anytime over your speedgun demons(read Kerry Wood). He might be the complete opposite of Mark Buehrle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 He might be the complete opposite of Mark Buehrle. Exactly, buehrle is a finesse control pitcher. Ortiz is a finesse hope it gets called for a strike sort of pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox311 Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Definitely true. While I've advocated trading Konerko, seeing him go will be tough. I'll admit it. He had me in tears when, in 2003, amidst one of the worst slumps I've ever seen, Paully manages to jack an 0-2 off of Eddie Guardado into the left-centerfield stands. I was in tears, so happy for the guy... Wanted to add, in the tenth inning. What a f***ing game that was... wow tears over somebody you don't even know huh.....cough..loser..cough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 wow tears over somebody you don't even know huh.....cough..loser..cough WTF is your problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Exactly what I was thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 WTF is your problem? I was just surprised that it wasn't a bump of an old thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 wow tears over somebody you don't even know huh.....cough..loser..cough Sometimes when I'm bored I watch old Sox games on MLB.TV with moments like that, and I get goosebumps and teary-eyed. But I am admittedly pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 just keep on listening to mother culture... being what shes always told you to be... me, comform to society... NAWWWWWW neeeeeever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 just keep on listening to mother culture... being what shes always told you to be... me, comform to society... NAWWWWWW neeeeeever I got the new Mars Volta single, I'll send it to you tomorrow brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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