CF-Beltran

RF-Vlad

LF-Anderson

 

their CF (finley not Btran) has more than lost a few steps.

their CF (finley not Btran) has more than lost a few steps.

I meant Finley...thanks cheat.

 

BTW, Finely still looks fantastic in the OF at his age.

Let me restate the obvious. Posednik isn't the key acquisition in this deal. The key acquisition is the additional money that will enable us to sign a quality starting pitcher.

 

All of this whining about us ending up with Grilli or Hermanson being our 5th starter is crazy talk. Ozzie, RJ, and KW have been obsessed with obtaining a quality starting pitcher. It was clearly the #1 priority of the off-season. It's going to happen so just chill out and let's see who they get.

 

If I have to listen (read) one more person evaluate this trade while ignoring the fact that we will be getting a starting pitcher my head is going to explode.

 

In this day and age in professional sports a trade that gives you $6 million spending money is freakin' huge!!!

Why this trade isn't as terrible as everyone thinks:

 

Scott's numbers from last year look kind of terrible at first, especially the all important OPS (.677?!). But I'll tell you why he's more valuable than that: stolen bases. I'm sure people have pointed this out before, but I don't know if anyone's looked at it the way I do (and I don't feel like reading the whole thread). Scott's 70 steals represent an extra 70 bases not calculated in slugging percentage. When those bases are counted he comes out with a slugging percentage of around .520 which is roughly in the Lee/Konerko area. That's why a guy who hits .244 can score 84 runs. I think Podsednik will hit somewhere between .244 and .310 in 2005, which would result in an increase in his OBP, as well. Now, I still would rather have Carlos roaming left, but this trade isn't all that horrible, especially if the prospect we get turns out to be a good one.

So would we take away any cs from his obp? Single + sb just isn't as valuable as a double, since noone scores from 1b on a single + sb combo, not even always from 2b.

 

Edit: Okay, I know "noone" is too strong. But it's pretty rare, anyway.

CF-Beltran

RF-Vlad

LF-Anderson

 

an actual outfield....

You're right...Podsednik/Rowand/Dye is complete trash. :rolly

 

God damnit I'm a moron.

If I have to listen (read) one more person evaluate this trade while ignoring the fact that we will be getting a starting pitcher my head is going to explode.

It is easy to discard/reject that fact because nothing is set in stone. Nothing.

 

The logical answer points towards the aquisiton of a starting pitcher, but nothing is complete. After missing out on Vizquel and Wright, posters have every right to express their concern towards the inability or improbability of snaging the final SP.

You're right...Podsednik/Rowand/Dye is complete trash. :rolleyes

who called it trash?

who called it trash?  

f***, I think I misread his post.

Damnit.

 

I took it as saying the Angels actually have a real OF, and the Sox don't.

 

My bad.

 

Me.

:dips***

I meant Finley...thanks cheat.

 

BTW, Finely still looks fantastic in the OF at his age.

if its Finley Vlad and G Anderson, I would still disagree. S Pods is just as good if not better defensively as Finley at his age. A ROW has better range than a hobbled Anderson, and DYE is an upgrade for us in right.

Why this trade isn't as terrible as everyone thinks:

 

Scott's numbers from last year look kind of terrible at first, especially the all important OPS (.677?!). But I'll tell you why he's more valuable than that: stolen bases. I'm sure people have pointed this out before, but I don't know if anyone's looked at it the way I do (and I don't feel like reading the whole thread). Scott's 70 steals represent an extra 70 bases not calculated in slugging percentage. When those bases are counted he comes out with a slugging percentage of around .520 which is roughly in the Lee/Konerko area. That's why a guy who hits .244 can score 84 runs. I think Podsednik will hit somewhere between .244 and .310 in 2005, which would result in an increase in his OBP, as well. Now, I still would rather have Carlos roaming left, but this trade isn't all that horrible, especially if the prospect we get turns out to be a good one.

also, his dissapointing sophomore slulmp last year could just be a one time thing. Alot of players experience that trend. I think he has tremendous upside as far as that goes

Anyone else suspect that Vizcaino is another indication that the Sox don't trust Shingo as a closer? Just speculating. They really seem to be loading up on these rh 'closer-type' guys.

So would we take away any cs from his obp? Single + sb just isn't as valuable as a double, since noone scores from 1b on a single + sb combo, not even always from 2b.

 

But since he's leading off the occurences of hitting in a run scoring situation are going to be relatively low. He had only 80 at-bats with a runner only on first-base, and figures to have about the same amount with Ben Davis hitting ahead of him. Let me restate my point, though, just to be clear. I'd rather have Carlos Lee, but Podesednik is more valuable than most numbers reveal.

also, his dissapointing sophomore slulmp last year could just be a one time thing.  Alot of players experience that trend.  I think he has tremendous upside as far as that goes

lol..crede is continuing the trend though...he's been in the slump since.

The logical answer points towards the aquisiton of a starting pitcher, but nothing is complete.  After missing out on Vizquel and Wright, posters have every right to express their concern towards the inability or improbability of snaging the final SP.

You obviously have the right to express your opinion but give me some evidence of KW and the White Sox sitting still and not trying to better themselves in recent years.

 

You may not like who they end up signing but they will acquire someone. My point is that it is stupid to pretend that they won't. It requires one to ignore everything they have said and done in the last couple years.

if its Finley Vlad and G Anderson, I would still disagree.  S Pods is just as good if not better defensively as Finley at his age.  A ROW has better range than a hobbled Anderson, and DYE is an upgrade for us in right.

What type of injury did Dye sustain?

 

Oh yeah, a knee injury...I forget sometimes. He isn't exactly Mr. Agile.

 

Don't get me wrong...a .992 fielding % is nothing to scoff at.

 

EDIT: I wasn't saying we have a poor defensive outfield, simply stating that the Halos have one hell of an outfield themselves. As do the M's.

But since he's leading off the occurences of hitting in a run scoring situation are going to be relatively low. He had only 80 at-bats with a runner only on first-base, and figures to have about the same amount with Ben Davis hitting ahead of him. Let me restate my point, though, just to be clear. I'd rather have Carlos Lee, but Podesednik is more valuable than most numbers reveal.

I agree. But I think for a leadoff hitter, you shouldn't adjust his slg pct for sb, you just shouldn't be as concerned about slg pct, period. It's just not as important of a stat (and obp is probably much more important for most players, anyway).

also, his dissapointing sophomore slulmp last year could just be a one time thing.  Alot of players experience that trend.  I think he has tremendous upside as far as that goes

2003 was a one year thing for podsednik.

600! This is getting really big...now I hope this thread doesn't crash soxtalk.com,

You obviously have the right to express your opinion but give me some evidence of KW and the White Sox sitting still and not trying to better themselves in recent years.

 

You may not like who they end up signing but they will acquire someone.  My point is that it is stupid to pretend that they won't.  It requires one to ignore everything they have said and done in the last couple years.

I agree with you tex.

 

However, I empathize with those that doubt Kenny's ability to land a big-name free agent this off-season. I think they have fair gounds for concern.

600! This is getting really big...now I hope this thread doesn't crash soxtalk.com, 

Ha the funny thing is the amount of views...

 

The Rumors thread has been around since November 11th...

 

This thread has just 8000 less views in a day.

Ha the funny thing is the amount of views...

 

The Rumors thread has been around since November 11th...

 

This thread has just 8000 less views in a day.

Anyone else feeling the lag though?

 

Its really chugging.

 

Come on girl, we're gonna get you through this.

What type of injury did Dye sustain?

 

Oh yeah, a knee injury...I forget sometimes.  He isn't exactly Mr. Agile.

Didn't Dye foul a ball off his leg (breaking his leg).

2003 was a one year thing for podsednik.

Since you seem to know everything, will the White Sox win the division next year?

Since you seem to know everything, will the White Sox win the division next year?

When did i say i know everything? I don't think i have ever implied that either.

Going by podsednik's minor league numbers ( which he was in for nine years) it just does not look very promising.