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Wow. I dropped by to read their take on AJ and saw this thread. Damn, I was shocked.

Most of those replies were Sox fans trolling.

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Wow. I dropped by to read their take on AJ and saw this thread. Damn, I was shocked.

 

 

Dude, those guys have more man-love for Frank than I do, which is scary.

I saw that thread too. I was rather surprised and pleased. B)

 

Meanwhile, on the Cubs board, the same question was posed. Naturally, most of the numbnuts on that board clearly started following baseball when McGwire & Sosa "saved" the sport. :rolly

It's nice to see that the twins fans can respect great players. I have grown up watching the big Hurt He will always be my favorite player.

It's nice to see that the twins fans can respect great players. I have grown up watching the big Hurt He will always be my favorite player.

 

Me too. I was 11 years old when he was a rookie, and now I'm 26...and he's still here. He is irreplaceable in my baseball world.

Did you guys read the user names?

 

wtsoxfan007, oheoh, ssidejohn, fearthewhitesoxb****

 

I'm guessing they aren't Twins fans.

Did you guys read the user names?

 

wtsoxfan007, oheoh, ssidejohn, fearthewhitesoxb****

 

I'm guessing they aren't Twins fans.

 

yep

Maybe it wasn't that thread, but I do remember seeing one where some of the Twins fans were giving some HOF love to Big Frank.

For those of you who didn't visit the Twins site, there was one post I thought was very interesting by fearthewhitesoxb**** (great handle!).

 

Here's a comparison of 5 players' 162-game averages over the course of their respective careers:

 

Player A: 29 2Bs, 22 HRs, 96 RBIs, .279 avg, .341 OBP, .463 SLG, 4 top-10 MVP

Player B: 30 2Bs, 34 HR, 105 RBIs, .294 avg, .389 OBP, .537 SLG, 10 top-10 MVP

Player C: 30 2Bs, 27 HRs, 103 RBIs, .287 avg, .359 OBP, .476 SLG, 8 top-10 MVP

Player D: 44 2Bs, 38 HRs, 148 RBIs, .313 avg, .412 OBP, .605 SLG, 6 top-10 MVP

Player E: 28 2Bs, 23 HRs, 90 RBIs, .297 avg, .376 OBP, .480 SLG, 9 top-10 MVP

Player F: 37 2Bs, 37 HRs, 121 RBIs, .308 avg, .429 OBP, .567 SLG, 8 top-10 MVP

 

All of these players except one is already in the HOF. They are:

 

A - Tony Perez

B - Frank Robinson

C - Eddie Murray

D - Hank Greenberg

E - Al Kaline

F - Frank Thomas

I was reading the main board of espn ( first time in years) and this twin fan had this to say and i laughed.

 

''White Sox blow and will finish 4th in the Central. They have no starting pitching other then Buehrle, they have no bullpen besides Takatsu, and other then Konerko and Thomas (if healthy), their lineup blows. ''

I was reading the pain boards of espn ( first time in years) and this twin fan had this to say and i laughed.

 

''White Sox blow and will finish 4th in the Central. They have no starting pitching other then Buehrle, they have no bullpen besides Takatsu, and other then Konerko and Thomas (if healthy), their lineup blows. ''

 

 

12 year old poster. :headshake

Uh, who gives a rat's ass what any person posting on another board(or this board, for that matter) says about Frank Thomas? Does saying he's good make him good? Saying he's bad make him bad?

 

I guess if this is the type of thing people look to hear, then I'll say this -- I think Johan Santana is the second-best left handed starter in baseball.

 

You're welcome, Twins fan looking for validation.

Uh, who gives a rat's ass what any person posting on another board(or this board, for that matter) says about Frank Thomas?  Does saying he's good make him good?  Saying he's bad make him bad?

 

I guess if this is the type of thing people look to hear, then I'll say this -- I think Johan Santana is the second-best left handed starter in baseball.

 

You're welcome, Twins fan looking for validation.

 

Well, if the enemy is acknowledging the greatness of one of our players, it shows that Frank is that damn good. It validates what we (and every person who has followed Frank over his great career) already know. Frank is most definitely a first-ballot Hall of Famer, and it's always nice to hear people other than White Sox fans admit that.

 

Johan Santana is not the 2nd best lefty starter in baseball, either. He had 1 very good season as a starter. Let's see him do it for a couple more years before we get all ga-ga about him.

For those of you who didn't visit the Twins site, there was one post I thought was very interesting by fearthewhitesoxb****  (great handle!).

I was going to post the same thing. You beat me to it, Yas!

Uh, who gives a rat's ass what any person posting on another board(or this board, for that matter) says about Frank Thomas?  Does saying he's good make him good?  Saying he's bad make him bad?

 

I guess if this is the type of thing people look to hear, then I'll say this -- I think Johan Santana is the second-best left handed starter in baseball.

 

You're welcome, Twins fan looking for validation.

 

I think it just goes to show what the feeling is "out there" about him getting in. And may be, a hint of what the voters in the media think outside of Chicago. But, alas, probably means nothing.

I'm glad there's a lot more people besides Sox fans that think he deserves to be in. But I guess he always has played good against the Twins.

Did you guys read the user names?

 

wtsoxfan007, oheoh, ssidejohn, fearthewhitesoxb****

 

I'm guessing they aren't Twins fans.

 

true but i like to think they are just so that it makes me happy

For those of you who didn't visit the Twins site, there was one post I thought was very interesting by fearthewhitesoxb****  (great handle!).

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When was the last time the Twinks had a HOF-caliber player? They're just jealous.

Thomas needs just one more MVP season to lock in the HOF. Right now he's a border-line case. Similar to Sandberg. If he can't get the MVP season then he just

needs a couple of near MVP seasons.

When was the last time the Twinks had a HOF-caliber player?  They're just jealous.

Thomas needs just one more MVP season to lock in the HOF.  Right now he's a border-line case.  Similar to Sandberg.  If he can't get the MVP season then he just

needs a couple of near MVP seasons.

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Kirby Puckett, in fact he was a first ballot HOF'er

Paul Molitor at the end of his career?

When was the last time the Twinks had a HOF-caliber player?  They're just jealous.

Thomas needs just one more MVP season to lock in the HOF.  Right now he's a border-line case.  Similar to Sandberg.  If he can't get the MVP season then he just

needs a couple of near MVP seasons.

 

 

I didn't see any "jealousy" over there. In fact, most were apparent Sox fans.

How about Rod Carew? He played with Minnesota from 1967 to 1978.

 

Also, Dave Winfield, Steve Carlton, and Paul Molitor had short stints with the Twins, but I think you're talking more along the lines of a guy who peaked while in a Twins uniform.

 

Puckett, Killebrew, Carew, Blyleven, Oliva, and very little else.

Carew's batting average per year over his last six years in a Twins uniform:

 

1973 .350

1974 .364

1975 .359

1976 .331

1977 .388

1978 .333

 

February 3, 1979: Traded by the Minnesota Twins to the California Angels for Ken Landreaux, Dave Engle, Paul Hartzell, and Brad Havens.

 

The main argument against Frank for the HoF is that he has been a DH for most of his career, meaning he has not played in the field, meaning he is essentially a 1-dimensional player.

 

So, if that argument holds true, someone needs to take Ozzie Smith's plaque out of the HoF...he may have been one of the best defensive SS's of all time, if not the best, but he put up .262 28 793 .666(a career OPS of f'in .666...Ben Davis puts that up in a bad year). He did steal a lot of bases, but this was also in a time period where stealing bases was at one of the all-time highs...during this same time period, Vince Coleman stole 100 bases in 3 consecutive years, one of which his average was .232 and his OBP was .301.

 

To me, the same argument applies to both Ozzie Smith and Frank Thomas, though just on completely opposite spectrums...Ozzie Smith gets in with no-bat, great glove, Frank gets in with great bat, no glove.

 

Frank Thomas is a HoFer, and if/when he gets to 500 homers, it should remove all doubt of him being a first ballot HoFer.