My choice would be 83

1983 by a long shot. If these guys keep it up all year, then maybe they can be considered with them. Think about it, our #2 pitcher won 22 games.

Our pitching in 00 absolutly sucked.

This isn't even a contest. There's no way this rotation will accomplish anything close to what the 83 guys did.

1983.

 

No contest.

Our pitching in 00 absolutly sucked.

 

In the second half it did. The first half rocked.

I think this year's starters compare to '93.

 

2000 was kind of a fluke year.

not the year with bere, i never liked him. i think he was inconsistant

This year rotation is doing awesome in a half season they just might catch the 83 team

MB 7-1 3.15

FG 6-3 3.51

JC 3-2 3.13

JG 9-2 3.4

OH 7-1 4.34

Don't know why anyone would pick '00.

 

Cal Eldred?

Jim "out of the" Parque?

 

I was still a youngster of 7 years-old in '83, so from what I remember, '93 was the best.

 

Bere, Black Jack, Fernandez & Alvarez were awesome.

 

However, this year is very comparable.

Edited June 10, 200520 yr by robinventura23

don't know much about '83, so i gotta go w/ '93. This years rotation reminds me alot of them.

83 stats

LH 24-10 3.66

RD 22-7 3.22

FB 16-10 3.35

BB 10-11 3.58

not the year with bere, i never liked him. i think he was inconsistant

 

Inconsistant meaning he won his first nine starts in 94 and ended up 12-2? Inconsistant in 93 when he ended up 12-5?

 

In 93 and 94, Bere was on his game.

93 stats

JM 22-10 3.37

AF 18-9 3.13

WA 15-8 2.95

JB 12-5 3.47

00 stats

MS 15-10 3.79

JB 14-7 4.65

JP 13-6 4.28

CE 10-2 4.58

I would rank the rotations as follow

83

05

93

00

I was 2 years old in 1983, so I'd have some difficulty voting for them. If anyone can pass along some stats to convince me, i'd love to see them.

 

Otherwise, I still rank 93 the best...for now.

 

If this pitching staff continues to carry us to the playoffs, then they can easily surpass that lineup. But man, wasn't Black Jack incredible in the early 90's? I never saw anyone be so dominant when he didn't have his best pitches working.

Balta- I have all 4 years stats on the 1st page

I didn't vote because I'm a youngster and don't remember the 83 staff, which was awesome by all accounts.

 

However, this is a great study: 3 of our 4 most successful teams over the last 22 years have had great starting staffs. Just goes to show how important that is.

Balta- I have all 4 years stats on the 1st page

 

Can you offer up anything other than ERA and W/L? Remember, 83 and 93 are IMHO 2 totally different eras in baseball. The Canseco/Big Mac/Post 89 A's offensive (and possibly steroid fueled) surge hadn't happened yet. So it's hard to just look at ERA's between these 2 era's and compare.

 

On top of that, the late 80's was really when we saw the proliferation of Middle Relief and closers, who could come in if a guy was struggling and cause a pitcher to get less wins. (When's the last time we saw a 24 game winner?) Therefore, it's also hard to compare a 24 win season in 1983 to any numbers in 93.

 

I think that it's almost safe to compare 93 to today, even though I'd bet that the ERA number on an equivalent staff would still be higher this year, due to the smaller ballparks and/or designer steroids.

i think randy johnson won 24 games in 2002

I'm voting 93. Alverez and Fernandez, two of my favorite pitchers.

Who voted 00? Sirotka who was our ace at best would've made a decent 3/awesome 4.

Don't know the exact stats on the 83 team, but the 05 starters have 33 of the Sox 41 wins (10 for Garland, 7 for Buehrle, 7 for Duque, 6 for Freddy, and 3 for Count). If they continue that pace, they'll rank among the best staffs of all-time, let alone franchise history.

I've got to go with '83. That staff was awesome. '93 was good, but Hoyt, Dot and Banny were just monsters that year. This current staff is capable of surpassing that team.