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Dunn played '05 with broken hand

 

Adam Dunn hit 40 home runs last season. He drove in 101 runs, scored 107 runs and walked 114 times — all with a broken right hand.

 

It's his football mentality.

 

Reds manager Jerry Narron let it slip this week at a Dayton Agonis Club meeting when somebody criticized Dunn.

 

"He broke his hand twice last year and wouldn't let us X-ray it because he wanted to play," said Narron.

 

When Dunn was asked about it, he uttered a profanity and said, "He isn't supposed to be talking about that. It was not that big of a deal."

 

Asked how long the hand hurt, Dunn said, "What time is it now?"

 

So, it still hurts.

 

"Yeah, I had it checked this week and the doctor said I should put a splint on it, but the heck with that," said the man who takes over first base for the Cincinnati Reds this year.

 

Dunn, a former scholarship quarterback at the University of Texas before he was the Reds' No. 2 draft choice in 1998, believes a little ol' hairline fracture shouldn't stop a 6-foot-6, 275-pound Texan.

 

And it didn't.

 

"In May in Houston, I was diving back into third base on a pickoff play and Morgan Ensberg stepped on the hand," he said.

 

Dunn played on.

 

"Later in the year, some home game and I don't remember who, I was hit on the hand, same exact spot," he said. "I remember how I used to make fun of Aaron Boone for getting hit on the hands all the time and asking him, 'How does that happen? How can you get hit on the hand? Can't you get out of the way?' Now I know."

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Well other than the fact he can't field, strikes out 1,438,214 (estimate) times a year, and can't hit a sac fly (the numbers on that are incredible)....i'd stay he's a stud.

 

But seriously, quite a story there.

Well other than the fact he can't field, strikes out 1,438,214 (estimate) times a year, and can't hit a sac fly (the numbers on that are incredible)....i'd stay he's a stud.

 

But seriously, quite a story there.

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Dunn is playing 1B now. He also draws a ton of walks. And you had better be ready to bash Thome for striking out a ton as well. The fact that Dunn can't hit a sac fly is pretty funny though.

Dunn could be a very effective DH in the AL.

 

And yea, it says wonders that he played with a broken hand, and still did well.

Dunn is playing 1B now.  He also draws a ton of walks.  And you had better be ready to bash Thome for striking out a ton as well.  The fact that Dunn can't hit a sac fly is pretty funny though.

 

Thome will be able to hit sac flies and not ALWAYS strike out at the worst time possible though. I would imagine Thome's average will be significantly better than Dunn's as well.

Thome will be able to hit sac flies and not ALWAYS strike out at the worst time possible though.  I would imagine Thome's average will be significantly better than Dunn's as well.

Right now if you were the White Sox all things being equal, would you rather have Adam Dunn or Jim Thome?

Right now if you were the White Sox all things being equal, would you rather have Adam Dunn or Jim Thome?

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If Thome puts up his healthy numbers the next two seasons or so without a big decline I would actually argue Thome because his offense would be slightly better than Dunn's. Thome can be the #3 hitter we were missing last season. Dunn really isn't a #3 hitter. Over the long-term, I would much rather have Dunn though.

If Thome puts up his healthy numbers the next two seasons or so without a big decline I would actually argue Thome because his offense would be slightly better than Dunn's.  Thome can be the #3 hitter we were missing last season.  Dunn really isn't a #3 hitter.  Over the long-term, I would much rather have Dunn though.

That's why it would be an interesting argument. Do you want the guy who could potentially produce better numbers over the next 2 to 3 years, or do you want to guy who could continue to improve and you would control for longer?

That's why it would be an interesting argument. Do you want the guy who could potentially produce better numbers over the next 2 to 3 years, or do you want to guy who could continue to improve and you would control for longer?

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Judging by the moves the Sox have made, they are trying to repeat in the next two, maybe three years.

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Right now if you were the White Sox all things being equal, would you rather have Adam Dunn or Jim Thome?

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Thome.

 

Higher BA's with similar OPS's results in more RBI's. This is why statheads have to neglect RBI's because they are directly related to batting averages.

 

What's the ratio of runs being knocked in on hits, sac flies, and suicide squeezes to runs being knocked in on HBP or BB's. I'm guesing 1,000+ : 1

Thome.

 

Higher BA's with similar OPS's results in more RBI's.  This is why statheads have to neglect RBI's because they are directly related to batting averages.

 

What's the ratio of runs being knocked in on hits, sac flies, and suicide squeezes to runs being knocked in on HBP or BB's.  I'm guesing 1,000+ : 1

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Another reason RBI totals are neglected is because they are affected by position in a batting order. For example, if Dye had been our #3 hitter all of last season instead of batting mostly sixth he would have finished with more than 86 RBI's.

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Another reason RBI totals are neglected is because they are affected by position in a batting order.  For example, if Dye had been our #3 hitter all of last season instead of batting mostly sixth he would have finished with more than 86 RBI's.

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Last time I checked the Reds didn't have problems getting guys on base.

 

If Dunn or Thome was in the Sox lineup, I have to think Thome would get more RBI's because of his much higher BA.

Last time I checked the Reds didn't have problems getting guys on base.

 

If Dunn or Thome was in the Sox lineup, I have to think Thome would get more RBI's because of his much higher BA.

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I agree with you. I was just adding that position in a lineup also affects RBI production.

Lets see Thome break his hand and hit 40 HR's

Lets see Thome break his hand and hit 40 HR's 

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Let's not.

Right now if you were the White Sox all things being equal, would you rather have Adam Dunn or Jim Thome?

Dunn 8 days a week. Not even close really.

Dunn 8 days a week.  Not even close really.

I gather you're not a fan of the Jim Thome acquisition from a few threads we've had discussing the issue.

 

What are your expectations for the numbers he'll put up for us in 2006?

~.250 average, OBP in the high .300s, slugging % just over .500. And I have no problem with these numbers. But I'd take Dunn to put up a higher OPS than Thome and get at least 100 more AB's.

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what about strikeouts?

I don't know. The last few years Thome and Dunn strikeout at about the same rate. Just under one K for every 3 at-bats.

what about strikeouts?

Aside from being about the most overrated statistic in the long run...both will probably strike out a lot.

Right now if you were the White Sox all things being equal, would you rather have Adam Dunn or Jim Thome?

Dunn...your way more likely to get the type of numbers he's put up the past couple years. Thats still a major question mark with Thome (whether you like it or not).

 

This is coming from someone who thinks that Dunn is very over-rated in general too.

Why is everyone trying to focus on Dunn's k's??? Have you seen his OBP?