Addy we could have gotten a reliever in free agency. If need be Couldn't mcarthy have been sent back to the minors and kept as a starter there? For  a few million more we could have gotten a reliever. In addition, and I am not saying this is a great answer but its better than what we have, fogg was available for practically nothing. I think he signed for a half mill. Offer him 750 and we have an insurance policy. there were a ton of guys like that out there.

 

KW has done a great job planning for injury by picking up great backups for the positions on the field. He knows our farm sucks with pitching therefore you better have very solid 1-11 cause if one goes down we are dead. That is now starting.

 

Two names come to mind: Mike Myers, Josh Fogg.

 

Jim, I don't know if you remember this, but, I was calling for Fogg before the Vazquez acquisition. I felt that El Duque being traded was a near lock and McCarthy was ready to fill that final spot in the starting rotation. Fogg, then, would have been used as a spot-starter if/when someone hits the shelf and a long-man if 1-5 are healthy.

 

In the grand scheme of things, the $1.5M Myers signed for and the peanuts Fogg signed for wouldn't have made a dent in the payroll, but, again, I'm still having a hard time believing Kenny got caught with his pants down. Believe it or not, I think wonder-boy Jeff Bajenaru was viewed as a guy that could fill in if someone like Fogg or McCarthy needed to occupy a starting spot, but, when the opportunity to acquire a near everyday player the callibur of Cintron became available, he had to jump on it.

 

Luckily, there is still some time left to make things right. I'm sure Hermanson will be seeing team doctors in the coming days and as more information comes out on his injury, they will put some type of plan into motion.

 

All I'm saying is don't rob Peter to pay Paul. If you want to trade a valuable prospect for some reliever of significant value, that's fine. But, don't trade someone that can help the organization in the next two to three years because the final bullpen spot is up in the air.

 

If healthy, Hermanson can make it happen.

 

Your point on acquiring these players via free agency, however, is not lost.

Exactly, the game of baseball, especially the personnel side, constantly intrigues me because trades sometimes come out of nowhere.

 

I thought Fogg would've been a good fall back option too but here is the thing, he is trying to reestablish his market value and he wanted an opportunity to start, that's why he's in Colorado, he is fighting for their #5 slot.  That wouldn't happen here.  He got a one year deal out there at age 29 I think he wanted opportunity more than anything.  Playing for his next contract.

 

Don't know for sure, just speculating.  Plus, KW traded him once, who knows if there is bad blood.

Great way to re-establish yourself....Getting pummelled in Colorado.

he is a veteran who I would take a chance on. Is he great? no of course not. but he is better than what we have and he won't s*** in his pants facing major league players. We are not getting an all star we just need a guy that can pitch an inning here or there.

 

Graves has been hippo s*** since 2002. We may as well give the spot to Tracey.

Ugh.  The guy pitches like three good innings and he's friggin' Billy Wagner.

 

Sorry for speaking in hyperbole, but c'mon.  This guy has pitched 131 minor league innings of a 6.10 ERA, and hasn't even pitched TEN innings at A-ball, yet is supposed to come in and be on a World Series title defending ballclub?

 

GMAB.  Too much is made of these Spring Training statistics.  Then again, it happens every year.  Remember the great Kevin Walker of 2005 Tuscon?

 

I was only posting a story about Logan and the bullpen. Ozzie said he'll go with whoever gets the job done. It wasn't my opinion on who should go where.

 

PS. Walker sucked last year in ST, like everybody else except Buerhle on our staff.

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Its going to bite him on the ass.

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Not in March it won't.

 

I will refer back to yesterdays discussion ... the White Sox have 7 spots open on the 40 man, it was set up that way for a reason.

 

I am quite certain they have 3-4 guys they have their eyes on who could become available very soon. Can't prove it, but there's a reason why they have only 33 on the 40 man.

Kill yourself

 

Again. I was only posting a story showing what Ozzie thought of the kid. He's officially coming to big league camp tomorrow.

 

The other thing was from KW, who doesn't appear as worried as Ozzie and COop, but is always looking for options, internally and externally.

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Just speculating on his mindset.

Again. I was only posting a story showing what Ozzie thought of the kid. He's officially coming to big league camp tomorrow.

 

The other thing was from KW, who doesn't appear as worried as Ozzie and COop, but is always looking for options, internally and externally.

 

I was just playin with you, man.

Graves has been hippo s*** since 2002.  We may as well give the spot to Tracey.

 

 

Well tracey can't hit the side of a barn. His command is way off. i am tired of these guys registering 88, 89 miles an hour. there are only a few buerhle's in the world.

Again. I was only posting a story showing what Ozzie thought of the kid. He's officially coming to big league camp tomorrow.

 

The other thing was from KW, who doesn't appear as worried as Ozzie and COop, but is always looking for options, internally and externally.

He should stop wasting his time looking internally. There is nothing there that can help in 2006. I am still trying to figure out the Munoz outrighting. Even gutless, he is just as good or better than the other dopes they throw out there.

Just speculating on his mindset.

 

It's very fair conjecturing. I think a similar speculation can be made for Mike Myers. Like it or not, Bruce Levine was reporting the White Sox were having contract talks with Mike Myers around the meetings and we were even thought to be the favorites at one point. But, after he signed with the Yankees, you couldn't help but feel that is where he wanted to be. I'm sure Kenny knew the $1.5M wasn't going to break the bank. If these guys have somewhere or something specific in mind, it can throw a wrench into some otherwise sound plans.

I was just playin with you,  man.

 

I know. Just clearing it up.

Not in March it won't.

 

I will refer back to yesterdays discussion ... the White Sox have 7 spots open on the 40 man, it was set up that way for a reason.

 

I am quite certain they have 3-4 guys they have their eyes on who could become available very soon.  Can't prove it, but there's a reason why they have only 33 on the 40 man.

 

 

yes jim I realize that, I am certain if certain people get cut they will pounce. its still a hole. We need to pick up 3 of these guys, and keep one in AAA if we can, because i don't want to see Sammy haegar unless he is opening up for aerosmith.

He should stop wasting his time looking internally. There is nothing there that can help in 2006. I am still trying to figure out the Munoz outrighting. Even gutless, he is just as good or better than the other dopes they throw out there.

 

You should write him an email and let him know what you think. Or Ozzie's hotmail account. Maybe one of his sons will send your message along.

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Well tracey can't hit the side of a barn. His command is way off. i am tired of these guys registering 88, 89 miles an hour. there are only a few buerhle's in the world.

 

Quickman, I don't get where you're coming from. You've been saying for the last couple days that just about everybody in our minor league system, all the invitees, ect, suck. Yet you're endorsing Danny Graves? Do you just want to put a guy in there just to have him there? You've gotta have some patience, man. Give Kenny a chance. Jeez!

Just speculating on his mindset.

He will be more screwed up in the mind by the end of April there. Fogg needs to realize that he is and always will be a mediocre starter at best. He could be a pretty decent middle reliever. I loved the foghorn when he used to strikeout guys at Comiskey Park II.

He should stop wasting his time looking internally. There is nothing there that can help in 2006. I am still trying to figure out the Munoz outrighting. Even gutless, he is just as good or better than the other dopes they throw out there.

 

Don't you get the feeling if you're not in with our skipper, you don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of being a guy he'll go to in crunch time?

 

Ozzie is a pretty ballsy cat. If you're not on board with what he's trying to do and the tight ship he likes to run, you probably don't stand a good chance of not just being on the team, but, getting any confidence from the manager during the season.

 

It seemed like Ozzie just ate Marte--a guy rumored to have a very easy-goin, carefree, sheepish attitude--up and I'm betting Munoz was a similar situation.

I'm posting this again just in case anybody thought I was posting a link to Logan's profiles or stats. It's a chisox.com story on teh bullpen.

 

Story

He should stop wasting his time looking internally. There is nothing there that can help in 2006. I am still trying to figure out the Munoz outrighting. Even gutless, he is just as good or better than the other dopes they throw out there.

 

 

They outrighted him because they can. He is not in there plans ever. he will be a minor league ballplayer and help at AAA. After the game he will rake the field.

It's very fair conjecturing.  I think a similar speculation can be made for Mike Myers.  Like it or not, Bruce Levine was reporting the White Sox were having contract talks with Mike Myers around the meetings and we were even thought to be the favorites at one point.  But, after he signed with the Yankees, you couldn't help but feel that is where he wanted to be.  I'm sure Kenny knew the $1.5M wasn't going to break the bank.  If these guys have somewhere or something specific in mind, it can throw a wrench into some otherwise sound plans.

I don't know. He is from around here. My sister went to grade school and junior high with him. She still knows him and gets comps when he's in town. I didn't want the Sox to sign him, but I think I could have cancelled my tickets if he did. I'm pretty sure he went for the money.

After the game he will rake the field.

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Under the close supervision of Tim Redding.

You should write him an email and let him know what you think. Or Ozzie's hotmail account. Maybe one of his sons will send your message along.

I sent Ozzie a couple of emails last year. He responded to one, but the one asking if he and Harold would buy me and my buddy some beers went unanswered. You can try to insult me, but I have been talking about bullpen problems since before the winter meetings. KW said at Soxfest the bullpen was strong. He was either BSing or drunk.

Under the close supervision of Tim Redding.

Quickman,  I don't get where you're coming from.  You've been saying for the last couple days that just about everybody in our minor league system,  all the invitees,  ect,  suck.  Yet you're endorsing Danny Graves?  Do you just want to put a guy in there just to have him there?  You've gotta have some patience,  man.  Give Kenny a chance.  Jeez!

 

 

i am saying I would rather take a chance with a major league pitcher than any minor league pitcher for a team like this. We have zero room for minor league tryouts and dealing with fragile minds. We are the champions and we should get players that know pressure and know how to work out issues. i am not advocating that Graves is a superstar, I do think he might be available, and if so I would rather take my chance on him than with the crap we have in the minors.

i don't want to see Sammy haegar unless he is opening up for aerosmith.

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