Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Mar 15, 2006 -> 06:57 PM) Think Kelly Wunsch with better stuff. Same pitches, delivery, size (6-5) and purpose as a situational lefty. I think Ozzie is going to give the kid every chance to make the team over guys like Almanza and Lopez. If he makes the team, that would be amazing a guy who has never pitched above A ball makes the major league team. I guess I'll give the kid a chance. I'm not expecting much, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I like that he's inducing a lot of groundouts but I would like to see him K a few batters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Mar 15, 2006 -> 07:59 PM) I didn't think he dropped down that much? I thought his motion was just a little side-arm. That said I have not seen the man pitch. I'm sure I'll get to see him one of the next few days. Leave for AZ tomorrow after classes. I finally saw him today, and he didn't look like a submariner unless they had changed pitchers when I went from the car to the house. He looked a lot like Brian Fuentes but threw harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted March 16, 2006 Author Share Posted March 16, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Mar 15, 2006 -> 06:59 PM) I didn't think he dropped down that much? I thought his motion was just a little side-arm. That said I have not seen the man pitch. I'm sure I'll get to see him one of the next few days. Leave for AZ tomorrow after classes. The deliveries are slightly different. Wunsch does come from more down under where as Logan is more sidearm, but its basically the same funky motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Mar 15, 2006 -> 07:32 PM) The deliveries are slightly different. Wunsch does come from more down under where as Logan is more sidearm, but its basically the same funky motion. Not even close. Logan is a straight side/short-armer. He keeps the ball in his pitching hand, wraps it around the back, and releases in true side-arm fashion. To be honest, I don't think I ever remember seeing a release like his. Whoever said Fuentes was pretty accurate; I'd say that's one of the better comparisons currently in the league. The kid has good movement on his pitches and it didn't even look like he was efforting. Believe me, I do not want to bring a kid that never pitched above A ball to US Cellular Field against AL Central opponents, but, it's a start. Go back and let's see you do it consistantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 (edited) I finally saw him today, and he didn't look like a submariner unless they had changed pitchers when I went from the car to the house. He looked a lot like Brian Fuentes but threw harder. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Fuentes can bring it at 91-93 MPH. I didn't watch the game today but what was Logan's fastball hitting on the gun? The Cheat said that he was throwing his fastball "87-90 MPH with late sinking movement." Edited March 16, 2006 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 15, 2006 -> 08:52 PM) Fuentes can bring it at 91-93 MPH. I didn't watch the game today but what was Logan's fastball hitting on the gun? The Cheat said that he was throwing his fastball "87-90 MPH with late sinking movement." Yeah I read that article then I kinda wondered. It looked like he threw harder, but there wasn't a gun and the delivery is messed up. I would take The Cheat's word over mine on that one. Edited March 16, 2006 by G&T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Yeah I read that article then I kinda wondered. It looked like he threw harder, but there wasn't a gun and the delivery is messed up. I would take The Cheat's word over mine on that one. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's cool. I thought that they show the gun reading on Comcast. Fuentes' fastball does look a hell of a lot faster than it actually is because of his funky delivery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 15, 2006 -> 07:52 PM) Fuentes can bring it at 91-93 MPH. I didn't watch the game today but what was Logan's fastball hitting on the gun? The Cheat said that he was throwing his fastball "87-90 MPH with late sinking movement." He wasn't popping the mit, and he certainly wasn't throwing harder than 91MPH. Although this was the first time I've watched him pitch--and he was pretty damn impressive--it looks like he has a real sneaky fastball. He comes at a real nasty angle and the looks of his pitches reminded me a lot of 2005 Cotts when he was just making hitters look goofy with that sneaky fastball. I don't really know just yet. I don't think I'd feel comfortable sending him out there against Travis Hafner in the seventh inning in a night game at US Cellular Field. But, it was encouraging and I'm all for guys earning themselves a roster spot by winning an open competition in spring training, just like Pablo last year. It's gonna be fun to track over the next few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 (edited) He wasn't popping the mit, and he certainly wasn't throwing harder than 91MPH. Although this was the first time I've watched him pitch--and he was pretty damn impressive--it looks like he has a real sneaky fastball. He comes at a real nasty angle and the looks of his pitches reminded me a lot of 2005 Cotts when he was just making hitters look goofy with that sneaky fastball. I don't really know just yet. I don't think I'd feel comfortable sending him out there against Travis Hafner in the seventh inning in a night game at US Cellular Field. But, it was encouraging and I'm all for guys earning themselves a roster spot by winning an open competition in spring training, just like Pablo last year. It's gonna be fun to track over the next few weeks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sounds good. I'll happily take 91 MPH from him. That's pretty hard for a sidearmer. And how much worse could he do against Hafner than Marte did? Hafner ate Marte for lunch. Edited March 16, 2006 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted March 16, 2006 Author Share Posted March 16, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 15, 2006 -> 08:06 PM) Sounds good. I'll happily take 91 MPH from him. That's pretty hard for a sidearmer. And how much worse could he do against Hafner than Marte did? Hafner ate Marte for lunch. Hafner ate all of our pitchers...for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Mar 15, 2006 -> 06:00 PM) He wasn't popping the mit, and he certainly wasn't throwing harder than 91MPH. Although this was the first time I've watched him pitch--and he was pretty damn impressive--it looks like he has a real sneaky fastball. He comes at a real nasty angle and the looks of his pitches reminded me a lot of 2005 Cotts when he was just making hitters look goofy with that sneaky fastball. I don't really know just yet. I don't think I'd feel comfortable sending him out there against Travis Hafner in the seventh inning in a night game at US Cellular Field. But, it was encouraging and I'm all for guys earning themselves a roster spot by winning an open competition in spring training, just like Pablo last year. It's gonna be fun to track over the next few weeks. Based on what I've heard, he has a delivery that allows the ball to get there quicker than a hitter expects it. This is simlar to what Cotts does. Albeit Cotts does it at a bit higher velocity. I'm pretty sure Logan has been clocked as high as 92, but that doesn't mean he consistently throws 92. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Mar 15, 2006 -> 08:00 PM) I don't really know just yet. I don't think I'd feel comfortable sending him out there against Travis Hafner in the seventh inning in a night game at US Cellular Field. Thats not what we need from him. We need him to eat up innings that we dont wants cotts and polite pitching, that is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I'd rather have just Cotts by himself than rush a guy who has never pitched above A ball on our opening day roster. Or KW can work the phones and get us a decent or even a washed up lefty for a few scraps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 15, 2006 -> 08:33 PM) Thats not what we need from him. We need him to eat up innings that we dont wants cotts and polite pitching, that is all. Well, Rock, we need it from somebody. That's the problem. We need it from somebody. The whole idea behind this "competition" was that someone would prevail as a LOOGY to come in and get those left-handers out. Cotts is far better at getting right-handers out than left-handers. If you're looking for inning-eaters, I think you're looking in the wrong place. Where's the LOOGY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Thats not what we need from him. We need him to eat up innings that we dont wants cotts and polite pitching, that is all. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think they want the second lefty to just a lefty or two out. This Logan guy seems more suited for a LOOGY role than eating up innings. Hermanson (or his future replacement, whomever that may be) should be the innings-eater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 15, 2006 -> 08:37 PM) I think they want the second lefty to just a lefty or two out. This Logan guy seems more suited for a LOOGY role than eating up innings. Hermanson (or his future replacement, whomever that may be) should be the innings-eater. Bingo. Beat you to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Bingo. Beat you to it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I know. :finger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 15, 2006 -> 06:37 PM) I think they want the second lefty to just a lefty or two out. This Logan guy seems more suited for a LOOGY role than eating up innings. Hermanson (or his future replacement, whomever that may be) should be the innings-eater. In the early part of the season Bmac or Hermy (whoever replaces him) will be the innings eaters. Sure Bmac could get thrown into the fire, but when the Sox are down early in the season I expect Bmac to get the call. He still needs to adjust to pitching out of the pen and coming up with a routine on how to warm up and keep his body in shape to pitch. Plus I think the Sox are going to do what they can to make sure he ocassionally throws a bit longer to keep his stamina up. That said I think one of the key's to this season will be Bmac because by seasons end I expect him to be our main righty set up man (with Cotts as the other main set up guy). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 (edited) In the early part of the season Bmac or Hermy (whoever replaces him) will be the innings eaters. Sure Bmac could get thrown into the fire, but when the Sox are down early in the season I expect Bmac to get the call. He still needs to adjust to pitching out of the pen and coming up with a routine on how to warm up and keep his body in shape to pitch. Plus I think the Sox are going to do what they can to make sure he ocassionally throws a bit longer to keep his stamina up. That said I think one of the key's to this season will be Bmac because by seasons end I expect him to be our main righty set up man (with Cotts as the other main set up guy). <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, by innings-eater I just meant a guy who could go one or two innings an outing in the 6th inning or so like Hermanson did sometimes last season when he wasn't the closer. That way, Cotts and Politte could stay fresh for the late innings to set up Jenks. Basically, we still need a right-handed middle reliever that can pitch an inning or two if Hermanson isn't ready to go. I think that the guy in my avatar, for example, could fill that role for us if Hermanson is on the DL to start the season. I doubt that the Sox see this Logan guy as anything more than a pure LOOGY right now. Edited March 16, 2006 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Mar 15, 2006 -> 08:37 PM) Well, Rock, we need it from somebody. That's the problem. We need it from somebody. The whole idea behind this "competition" was that someone would prevail as a LOOGY to come in and get those left-handers out. Cotts is far better at getting right-handers out than left-handers. If you're looking for inning-eaters, I think you're looking in the wrong place. Where's the LOOGY? To be honest with you, I dont think we need one. We didnt have one last year, becaues Cotts and Polite both get LH batters out. At this point we need a mop up reliever in the same roles as Marte and Viz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 This kid is definitely confident. "I know I can handle it. That's no question," Logan said of pitching in the Majors. "The way you're seeing me pitch right now, that's what you're going to be seeing most of the time. I know I can handle the role." Looks like Ozzie is impressed as well. "I like what I see. He throws strikes," Guillen said. "He did a tremendous job. Right now he's going to be the talk of the next couple of days." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 (edited) To be honest with you, I dont think we need one. We didnt have one last year, becaues Cotts and Polite both get LH batters out. At this point we need a mop up reliever in the same roles as Marte and Viz. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We probably don't need a second lefty considering how bad Marte was against lefties last season (.267 BAA, 1.70 WHIP) but it sure seems like KW and Ozzie want one. I'm pretty sure that a righty and a lefty will round out our bullpen. Now whether or not it will be Hermanson and Logan, I don't know. Hermanson could be on the DL to start the season and Logan could get roped eventually and blow his chances of making the roster. I guess we will find out soon enough. This kid is definitely confident. Looks like Ozzie is impressed as well. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dude's got balls. Hopefully, he will continue to back it up. Edited March 16, 2006 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 (edited) Logan worked quickly this afternoon against a predominantly minor league lineup. Either today was played by a contingent of fringe talent, or this year's Rockies club is experiencing an astounding turnover. Difficult to judge anything from his 1.2IP other than his arsenal (which Cheat accuraely assessed) and composure. Didn't appear wide eyed. Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing Logan pitch Friday against Texas. Guillen should place him in situations to fail. Test him against legitimate talent. Beyond that, there's one other date which is important--next Saturday, against San Francisco. I want Boone pitching to Bonds. It may not happen if our starter pitches deep, but I'd like to observe him against the most imposing LH in the game. Edited March 16, 2006 by Flash Tizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 15, 2006 -> 09:23 PM) Logan worked quickly this afternoon against a predominantly minor league lineup. Either today was played by a contingent of fringe talent, or this year's Rockies club is experiencing an astounding turnover. Difficult to judge anything from his 1.2IP other than his arsenal (which Cheat accuraely assessed) and composure. Didn't appear wide eyed. Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing Logan pitch Friday against Texas. Guillen should place him in situations to fail. Test him against legitimate talent. Beyond that, there's one other date which is important--next Saturday, against San Francisco. I want Boone pitching to Bonds. It may not happen if our starter pitches deep, but I'd like to observe him against the most imposing LH in the game. I like it, Flash. I'm with you. If they're serious about bringing an A-baller to the majors, he has got to prove to me he can get better out than the Rockies junior varsity squad. But, he was awfully composed today. I think I failed to mention that. He looked cool, calm, and collected...even walking back to the dugout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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