YASNY Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 23, 2006 -> 11:58 AM) It won't be hard to find a reliever better than Thornton when the roster cuts commence. The guy has a 1.68 career WHIP. That's just plain awful. Ricky Bottalico was just released by the Orioles. He's older than dirt but he would probably outperform Thornton. I have a little more faith than you, apparently, in Kenny and Coop. They both, along with some of the Sox scouts, think they can straighten this guy out. I think it's worth a shot based solely on that. Bottalico is more than likely done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 (edited) I have a little more faith than you, apparently, in Kenny and Coop. They both, along with some of the Sox scouts, think they can straighten this guy out. I think it's worth a shot based solely on that. Bottalico is more than likely done. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agreed, Bottalico is most likely done. But there will be relievers cut soon who are better than Thornton. If Thornton still had options, he would probably be replaced by someone more reliable and headed for Charlotte to work on his control problems. But since he's out of options, he will likely be on our opening day roster. That's my problem with the situation. Edited March 23, 2006 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 23, 2006 -> 12:04 PM) Agreed, Bottalico is most likely done. But there will be relievers cut soon who are better than Thornton. If Thornton still had options, he would probably be replaced by someone more reliable and headed for Charlotte to work on his control problems. But since he's out of options, he will likely be on our opening day roster. You may be right that there will be better relievers available. But I'll qualify that with 'better today'. Lefties that bring it at 96 mph are hard to come by. If Coop and KW think they can fix Thornton, it's worth the gamble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 23, 2006 -> 12:04 PM) Agreed, Bottalico is most likely done. But there will be relievers cut soon who are better than Thornton. If Thornton still had options, he would probably be replaced by someone more reliable and headed for Charlotte to work on his control problems. But since he's out of options, he will likely be on our opening day roster. That's my problem with the situation. Exactly. KW thinks Coop can turn him into a decent reliever for our team. I'm sure everyone here is at least a little skeptical of that, but KW and Coop should have earned everybody's benefit of the doubt by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 (edited) You may be right that there will be better relievers available. But I'll qualify that with 'better today'. Lefties that bring it at 96 mph are hard to come by. If Coop and KW think they can fix Thornton, it's worth the gamble. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Give me a righty who throws 90 MPH and can actually throw strikes any day of the week. It's worth the gamble, but not if he's going to blow games. Try to sneak him through waivers and send him to Charlotte. Edited March 23, 2006 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 23, 2006 -> 06:04 PM) Agreed, Bottalico is most likely done. But there will be relievers cut soon who are better than Thornton. If Thornton still had options, he would probably be replaced by someone more reliable and headed for Charlotte to work on his control problems. But since he's out of options, he will likely be on our opening day roster. That's my problem with the situation. Some pitchers just can't be fixed. For example Shingo and Koch, are know those are some extreme examples but its just a fact. Coop has earned a great reputation on the southside to fix pitchers and get the most out of them, but seeing this Thorton guy pitch and looking at his history, this is going to be one heck of a challange. Being the defending champions, is a challange like this safe? There has to be better options out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 23, 2006 -> 12:11 PM) Give me a righty who throws 90 MPH and can actually throw strikes any day of the week. It's worth the gamble, but not if he's going to blow games. Try to sneak him through waivers and send him to Charlotte. I don't think that will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Mar 23, 2006 -> 12:12 PM) Some pitchers just can't be fixed. For example Shingo and Koch, are know those are some extreme examples but its just a fact. Coop has earned a great reputation on the southside to fix pitchers and get the most out of them, but seeing this Thorton guy pitch and looking at his history, this is going to be one heck of a challange. Being the defending champions, is a challange like this safe? There has to be better options out there. As I said, if they think he can be fixed, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 QUOTE(YASNY @ Mar 23, 2006 -> 12:15 PM) I don't think that will happen. I don't think there is a chance. Everybody would want a free chance to try and 'fix' him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 (edited) And it really wouldn't be that big of a loss. We were going to dump Borchard anyways. He asked for a trade out of here. Get a guy here who can throw strikes. Just my opinion. As I said, if they think he can be fixed, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The problem is that there isn't much time to fix Thornton. When we claimed Jenks off waivers, he had plenty of time to work on his control as a closer at AA. Cooper and Thornton have less than two weeks to work on his control before opening day. Don't get me wrong, I love the potential of fixing a lefty with a 96 MPH fastball but I'd rather see it done in the minors; not as a work in progress during the regular season where every game counts. Edited March 23, 2006 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aderal Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Anyone know Thortons' lefty righty splits off the top of their head? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 23, 2006 -> 12:19 PM) And it really wouldn't be that big of a loss. We were going to dump Borchard anyways. He asked for a trade out of here. Get a guy here who can throw strikes. Just my opinion. The problem is that there isn't much time to fix Thornton. When we claimed Jenks off waivers, he had plenty of time to work on his control as a closer at AA. Cooper and Thornton have less than two weeks to work on his control before opening day. Don't get me wrong, I love the potential of fixing a lefty with a 96 MPH fastball but I'd rather see it done in the minors; not as a work in progress during the regular season where every game counts. I see your point, but I believe that since they have been trying to get this guy for two years, they decided to get him when they can. When Coop asks for film on this guy, which is completely out of character for him according to media sources, he believes he sees something that he can fix. They think a regular season scenario is worth the gamble. They've proven to me that I should give them the opportunity, and time, to see if they can work some magic. If not, they'll cut their losses before too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aderal Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 QUOTE(Aderal @ Mar 23, 2006 -> 01:39 PM) Anyone know Thortons' lefty righty splits off the top of their head? nvm found them strikes out more lefties per 9 but gives up more hits per 9 than to righties and walks are pretty much the same for both gives up more hr per 9 to lefties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 23, 2006 Author Share Posted March 23, 2006 QUOTE(Aderal @ Mar 23, 2006 -> 06:39 PM) Anyone know Thortons' lefty righty splits off the top of their head? His WHIP was near 1.68 against both lefties and righties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Matt Thornton (2005 stats) vs. Left: 1.69 WHIP / .262 BAA vs. Right: 1.68 WHIP / .235 BAA Matt Thornton (career stats) vs. Left: 1.75 WHIP / .273 BAA vs. Right: 1.64 WHIP / .231 BAA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aderal Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 23, 2006 -> 02:14 PM) Matt Thornton (2005 stats) vs. Left: 1.69 WHIP / .262 BAA vs. Right: 1.68 WHIP / .235 BAA Matt Thornton (career stats) vs. Left: 1.75 WHIP / .273 BAA vs. Right: 1.64 WHIP / .231 BAA Well he looks better against righties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 QUOTE(Aderal @ Mar 23, 2006 -> 01:25 PM) Well he looks better against righties. do you mean adderall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aderal Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 23, 2006 -> 02:28 PM) do you mean adderall? no im not tryin to spell the actual pill name. My name happens to be alex and my friends call me al for short. I took a couple of ADDERALL once or twice...So one of em came up with AderAL so theyd call me aderAL every so often so ya thats how i came up with it. edit- i didnt know how the word adderall was spelled so i just winged it Edited March 23, 2006 by Aderal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Iguchi's move to the 2-hole is now permanent according to ESPN 1000 and Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 24, 2006 -> 01:25 PM) Iguchi's move to the 2-hole is now permanent according to ESPN 1000 and Ozzie. Glad to hear it. It sounds like Iguchi must have been trying to do too much powerhitting in the 6 slot, and I never really thought Uribe was the right guy to hit behind Pods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 24, 2006 -> 01:46 PM) Glad to hear it. It sounds like Iguchi must have been trying to do too much powerhitting in the 6 slot, and I never really thought Uribe was the right guy to hit behind Pods. Agreed. I'd like to see what Iguchi could do in a full season hitting 6th or 7th, but I'm just not sold on Uribe up front. Having 4 straight OBPs over .350 or so to start the lineup will be really nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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