July 11, 200619 yr Author QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> G IP SV SVO H R ER HR HBP BB SO SLG OBA Papelbon: 40 46 26 29 25 3 3 2 1 8 47 .224 .200 Ryan: 39 42.2 24 25 21 4 4 0 0 9 54 .162 .197 I'd say it's just about a toss-up as to who the better pitcher has been overall but when it comes to doing what a closer is expected to do (close games) BJ Ryan takes the cake. How does he take the cake? One player 26/29, another 24/25... That is far from being dramatically 'better.'
July 11, 200619 yr QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 11:25 PM) AL Most Valuable Player: David Ortiz AL Cy Young Award Winner: Jon Papelbon AL Rookie of the Year: Jon Papelbon AL Manager of the Year: Terry Francona AL Comeback Player of the Year: Mike Lowell tied with Gabe Kapler AL Biggest Surprise: Red Sox AL Biggest Disappointment: Red Sox AL Game of the Year: Any Red Sox/Yankees game shown on ESPN NL Most Valuable Player: Nomar Garciaparra NL Cy Young Award Winner: Pedro Martinez, Bronson Arroyo NL Rookie of the Year: Hanley Ramirez NL Manager of the Year: Grady Little NL Comeback Player of the Year: Nomar Garciaparra NL Biggest Surprise: Dodgers NL Biggest Disappointment: Red Sox NL Game of the Year: Red Sox sweeping the Mets with Coco Crisp making the greatest catch in the history of the game Sox specific categories: Best Hitter: Manny Best Pitcher: Papelbon Most Valuable Player: Papi Biggest Surprise: Alex Gonzalez Biggest Disappointment: Seanez/Taverez Game of the Year: Red Sox @ Yankees or Yankees @ Red Sox Favorite Moment: Mirabelli getting police escort to catch Wakefield. SO AWESOME!!!!! You lose points for not having "WICKED AWESOME!!!!!". QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 11:27 PM) How does he take the cake? One player 26/29, another 24/25... That is far from being dramatically 'better.' Through half a season one has blown 3 saves and the other has only blown 1, I never said BJ was dramatically better but he has done a better job at closing out games.
July 11, 200619 yr Author QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You lose points for not having "WICKED AWESOME!!!!!". Through half a season one has blown 3 saves and the other has only blown 1, I never said BJ was dramatically better but he has done a better job at closing out games. Well Papelbon has done a better job overall, as you said. I guess I'm missing what we're arguing about.
July 11, 200619 yr QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 11:33 PM) Well Papelbon has done a better job overall, as you said. I guess I'm missing what we're arguing about. Um, I never said that.
July 11, 200619 yr Author QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> AL Most Valuable Player: David Ortiz AL Cy Young Award Winner: Jon Papelbon AL Rookie of the Year: Jon Papelbon AL Manager of the Year: Terry Francona AL Comeback Player of the Year: Mike Lowell tied with Gabe Kapler AL Biggest Surprise: Red Sox AL Biggest Disappointment: Red Sox AL Game of the Year: Any Red Sox/Yankees game shown on ESPN NL Most Valuable Player: Nomar Garciaparra NL Cy Young Award Winner: Pedro Martinez, Bronson Arroyo NL Rookie of the Year: Hanley Ramirez NL Manager of the Year: Grady Little NL Comeback Player of the Year: Nomar Garciaparra NL Biggest Surprise: Dodgers NL Biggest Disappointment: Red Sox NL Game of the Year: Red Sox sweeping the Mets with Coco Crisp making the greatest catch in the history of the game Sox specific categories: Best Hitter: Manny Best Pitcher: Papelbon Most Valuable Player: Papi Biggest Surprise: Alex Gonzalez Biggest Disappointment: Seanez/Taverez Game of the Year: Red Sox @ Yankees or Yankees @ Red Sox Favorite Moment: Mirabelli getting police escort to catch Wakefield. SO AWESOME!!!!! Yea! Because Red Sox fans do eachother in the butt! They're so gay! Great Post! QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Um, I never said that. My apologies..
July 11, 200619 yr Mine is almost the same as Bonderman38. Nice list by the way. For the midseason... AL Most Valuable Player: Jim Thome/David Ortiz AL Cy Young Award Winner: Roy Halladay AL Rookie of the Year: Fransisco Liriano AL Manager of the Year: Jim Leyland AL Comeback Player of the Year: Jim Thome AL Biggest Surprise: Detroit Tigers AL Biggest Disappointment: Cleveland Indians/LAA Angels AL Game of the Year: 19 inning games between our White Sox and Red Sox NL Most Valuable Player: Albert Pujols NL Cy Young Award Winner: Brandon Webb (Bronson Arroyo lost it when he faded alittle) NL Rookie of the Year: Dan Uggla/Hanley Ramirez NL Manager of the Year: Joe Girardi NL Comeback Player of the Year: Nomar Garciaparra (NOMAH!) NL Biggest Surprise: Colorado Rockies/Cincinatti Reds NL Biggest Disappointment: Atlanta Braves (by far) NL Game of the Year: 18 inning game between Pirates and Astros Whitesox categories Best Hitter: Jim Thome/Jermaine Dye Best Pitcher: Jose Contreras Most Valuable Player: Bobby Jenks Biggest Surprise: Matt Thornton Biggest Disappointment: Cliff Politte Game of the Year: Cubs/Sox, AJ wins it - or 19 inning game, Dye beats the boner Favorite Moment: Buehrle's last tarp slide ever. Buehrle had a nice run.
July 11, 200619 yr AL Most Valuable Player: David Ortiz AL Cy Young Award Winner: Roy Halladay AL Rookie of the Year: Francisco Liriano AL Manager of the Year: Jim Leyland AL Comeback Player of the Year: Jim Thome AL Biggest Surprise: Detroit Tigers AL Biggest Disappointment: Cleveland Indians AL Game of the Year: Yesterday's Red Sox/White Sox game NL Most Valuable Player: Albert Pujols NL Cy Young Award Winner: Brandon Webb NL Rookie of the Year: Dan Uggla NL Manager of the Year: Joe Girardi NL Comeback Player of the Year: Nomar Garciaparra NL Biggest Surprise: Cincinatti Reds NL Biggest Disappointment: Atlanta Braves NL Game of the Year: Haven't seen enough. White Sox specific categories: Best Hitter: Jim Thome Best Pitcher: Bobby Jenks Most Valuable Player: Jermaine Dye Biggest Surprise: Thornton Biggest Disappointment: Javy Vazquez Game of the Year: 19 innings Favorite Moment: Gooch's GS after the fight.
July 11, 200619 yr Is it possible for a guy with a 2.95 ERA, 138 K/24 BB and a 1.00 WHIP to be underrated? I say . . . yes.
July 11, 200619 yr Author QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> AL Most Valuable Player: David Ortiz AL Cy Young Award Winner: Roy Halladay AL Rookie of the Year: Francisco Liriano AL Manager of the Year: Jim Leyland AL Comeback Player of the Year: Jim Thome AL Biggest Surprise: Detroit Tigers AL Biggest Disappointment: Cleveland Indians AL Game of the Year: Yesterday's Red Sox/White Sox game NL Most Valuable Player: Albert Pujols NL Cy Young Award Winner: Brandon Webb NL Rookie of the Year: Dan Uggla NL Manager of the Year: Joe Girardi NL Comeback Player of the Year: Nomar Garciaparra NL Biggest Surprise: Cincinatti Reds NL Biggest Disappointment: Atlanta Braves NL Game of the Year: Haven't seen enough. White Sox specific categories: Best Hitter: Jim Thome Best Pitcher: Bobby Jenks Most Valuable Player: Jermaine Dye Biggest Surprise: Thornton Biggest Disappointment: Javy Vazquez Game of the Year: 19 innings Favorite Moment: Gooch's GS after the fight. Strikingly similar to mine. Great list.
July 11, 200619 yr QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 11:42 PM) Strikingly similar to mine. Great list. Ditto. I think Heads only had like 2 things different from mine and it was in the whitesox category. Great list Alex. For once..
July 11, 200619 yr QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 11, 2006 -> 02:59 AM) Anyone who knew there baseball would know that Papelbon, Ryan, Jenks or any reliever for that matter don't qualify for this "triple crown" you speak of. Statistics: WHIP/BAA/ERA Papelbon: .72/.155 /.59 Liriano: .97/.201/1.83 So I don't have a clue as to what you are talking about and I don't think you do either. Perhaps you're of the opinion that relievers cannot win the Cy Young, but you've yet to say that. Who doesn't have a man crush on Halladay? Try to keep up with me here. Liriano is a STARTING PITCHER who damn near guarantees a victory for his team every time he takes the mound. Those triple corwn numbers are spread out over 90 innings pitched. Papelbon comes in to pitch for one freaking inning. If Liriano was on the Red Sox, it would be a completely different story, wouldn't it? The admins try their best to make this place a gimp-free zone, but people like you just keep slipping through the cracks.
July 11, 200619 yr QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 11:06 PM) G IP SV SVO H R ER HR HBP BB SO SLG OBA Papelbon: 40 46 26 29 25 3 3 2 1 8 47 .224 .200 Ryan: 39 42.2 24 25 21 4 4 0 0 9 54 .162 .197 I'd say it's just about a toss-up as to who the better pitcher has been overall but when it comes to doing what a closer is expected to do (close games) BJ Ryan takes the cake. I had actually thought Ryan was gonna flop in Toronto before the season started.
July 11, 200619 yr QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 11, 2006 -> 04:42 AM) Is it possible for a guy with a 2.95 ERA, 138 K/24 BB and a 1.00 WHIP to be underrated? I say . . . yes. There's no question about it. That's why I stick to weed. Once you start smoking crack, you're pretty much f***ed for life.
July 11, 200619 yr QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jul 11, 2006 -> 12:19 AM) That's why I stick to weed. Once you start smoking crack, you're pretty much f***ed for life. Me and you both brotha!
July 11, 200619 yr QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jul 11, 2006 -> 01:19 AM) There's no question about it. That's why I stick to weed. Once you start smoking crack, you're pretty much f***ed for life. LOL... Marijuana is not a drug. I used to suck dick for coke! Now that's an addiction man, you ever suck some dick for Marijuana? Boo this man!!!
July 11, 200619 yr Author QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jul 11, 2006 -> 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Try to keep up with me here. Liriano is a STARTING PITCHER who damn near guarantees a victory for his team every time he takes the mound. Those triple corwn numbers are spread out over 90 innings pitched. Papelbon comes in to pitch for one freaking inning. If Liriano was on the Red Sox, it would be a completely different story, wouldn't it? The admins try their best to make this place a gimp-free zone, but people like you just keep slipping through the cracks. I'm keeping up with you here, you just fail to stick to the topic at hand. I don't give a flying f*** if he's a starting pitcher, and Papelbon/Ryan are closers. They are pitchers and therefore both qualify for the award of being the Most Valuable Pitcher, or Cy Young Award Winner. I'll stop here, to let it sink in, by asking the question I asked you a couple hours ago: Why do you believe that closers cannot contend for the Cy Young award? No, it wouldn't be a different story. Liriano has started ten games. He's been impressive, but Bronson Arroyo is a prime example of what time can do to you, as it happened to him last year in Boston, and seems to be happening to him again in the National League. Best of luck to both of them, You on the otherhand need to read what is being asked of you, and stop being an argumentitive, name calling buffoon. QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jul 11, 2006 -> 12:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There's no question about it. That's why I stick to weed. Once you start smoking crack, you're pretty much f***ed for life. Oh, I get it, because I smoke crack. I didn't know Jerry Seinfeld frequented Soxtalk.
July 11, 200619 yr AL Most Valuable Player: David Ortiz AL Cy Young Award Winner: Roy Halladay AL Rookie of the Year: Fransisco Liriano AL Manager of the Year: Jim Leyland AL Comeback Player of the Year: Jim Thome AL Biggest Surprise: Detroit Tigers AL Biggest Disappointment: Cleveland Indians AL Game of the Year: Yankees overcome 9 run deficit to beat Rangers NL Most Valuable Player: Albert Pujols NL Cy Young Award Winner: Brandon Webb NL Rookie of the Year: Dan Uggla NL Manager of the Year: Willie Randolph NL Comeback Player of the Year: Nomar Garciaparra NL Biggest Surprise: Colorado Rockies NL Biggest Disappointment: Atlanta Braves NL Game of the Year: Pirates and Astros 18 innings
July 11, 200619 yr A DH is not the most valuable player, maybe the most valuable batter, but not player, DHs only bat 4-5 times a game. All the DH's should be tops in the league in batting, that is all they have to do. How about a player that has comparable batting stats with solid D? AL Most Valuable Player: Dye AL Cy Young Award Winner: Halladay AL Rookie of the Year: Liriano AL Manager of the Year: Leyland AL Comeback Player of the Year: Thome AL Biggest Surprise: DET AL Biggest Disappointment: CLE / LAA AL Game of the Year: Sox/Sawks 19 inning game NL Most Valuable Player: Pujols NL Cy Young Award Winner: Webb NL Rookie of the Year: Uggla NL Manager of the Year: Girardi NL Comeback Player of the Year: Nomar NL Biggest Surprise: SD NL Biggest Disappointment: PHI NL Game of the Year: Braves 13 - Cubs 12 White Sox specific categories: Best Hitter: Thome Best Pitcher: Jenks Most Valuable Player: Dye Biggest Surprise: Thornton / Ozuna Biggest Disappointment: Vazquez Game of the Year: 19 innings Favorite Moment: Gooch's acrobatic defensive play
July 11, 200619 yr AL Most Valuable Player: Ortiz(god that hurts to say) AL Cy Young Award Winner: Halladay AL Rookie of the Year: Liriano AL Manager of the Year: Leyland AL Comeback Player of the Year: Thome AL Biggest Surprise: Tigers AL Biggest Disappointment: Nobody AL Game of the Year: Sox/Sawks 19 inning game NL Most Valuable Player: Wright NL Cy Young Award Winner: Webb NL Rookie of the Year: Uggla NL Manager of the Year: Girardi NL Comeback Player of the Year: Nomar NL Biggest Surprise: Reds NL Biggest Disappointment: Braves NL Game of the Year: Braves 13 - Cubs 12 White Sox specific categories: Best Hitter: Thome Best Pitcher: Count Most Valuable Player: Dye/Thome/Jenks/Count Biggest Surprise: Thornton Biggest Disappointment: Vazquez Game of the Year: Sox-Boston 19 innings Favorite Moment: JD homer off Papelbon + 19 inning win / AJ homer against Cubs Edited July 11, 200619 yr by Rowand44
July 11, 200619 yr QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 10:53 PM) What wasn't accurate about the statistics that I listed? Papelbon has been better than Ryan this year. Regardless, both should be considered for the award. Again, I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. Correct. So if anyone posted faulty statistics, it was Rock, not me. What was faulty about my stats? Ryan has been better in those three categories, sorry bout it.
July 11, 200619 yr Author QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 11, 2006 -> 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What was faulty about my stats? Ryan has been better in those three categories, sorry bout it. The statistics I listed were entirely accurate, you chose to add in whose blown more saves and in the process of accusing me of posting false statistics, which wasn't true in the least, you posted one less blown save for Papelbon than you should have.
July 11, 200619 yr QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 11, 2006 -> 09:12 AM) The statistics I listed were entirely accurate, you chose to add in whose blown more saves and in the process of accusing me of posting false statistics, which wasn't true in the least, you posted one less blown save for Papelbon than you should have. I didnt accuse you of anything dude. I put Ryan in there instead of Liriano. Read more closely. I was guessing on blown saves, the rest are totally accurate. Ryan has been a better reliever and closer this season.
July 11, 200619 yr QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 11:06 PM) G IP SV SVO H R ER HR HBP BB SO SLG OBA Papelbon: 40 46 26 29 25 3 3 2 1 8 47 .224 .200 Ryan: 39 42.2 24 25 21 4 4 0 0 9 54 .162 .197 I'd say it's just about a toss-up as to who the better pitcher has been overall but when it comes to doing what a closer is expected to do (close games) BJ Ryan takes the cake. Ryan isn't far and away better, but he is still clearly better given these stats. Papelbon still has a better chance to win, though, based on the fact that he plays in Boston. That sounds like I might be joking, but it's honestly how I feel. Papelbon would win right now because he's on the Red Sox.
July 11, 200619 yr QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 11, 2006 -> 09:45 AM) Ryan isn't far and away better, but he is still clearly better given these stats. Papelbon still has a better chance to win, though, based on the fact that he plays in Boston. That sounds like I might be joking, but it's honestly how I feel. Papelbon would win right now because he's on the Red Sox. Absolutely thats the case. Otherwise you wouldnt have people on here saying that Papelbon has been the best reliever hands down, he really hasnt been, but nobody realizes that.
July 11, 200619 yr Author QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 11, 2006 -> 09:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I didnt accuse you of anything dude. I put Ryan in there instead of Liriano. Read more closely. I was guessing on blown saves, the rest are totally accurate. Ryan has been a better reliever and closer this season. I just don't think its that clear cut. Agree to disagree.
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