Whose defense do you guys think is more valuable to the team? I think they are two of the top three defenders on this team, even though I bash Uribe every now and then. I'm just curious to see what most of ST thinks on the subject, as these two guys are sometimes referred to as "automatic-outs" at the bottom of the lineup.

 

My thoughts are that Brian Anderson's is more valuable, and I feel if we had to choose to only have one "terrible" hitter at the bottom, it would be Brian.

 

Discuss, and let's try not to bash too much.

Edited August 11, 200619 yr by TitoMB345

Uribe, just because the SS position is involved more often in the game than the CF.

I value Scott Podsednik's defense the most because everytime he actually catches the ball I'm relieved.

 

Actually, out of these two options, I would say Brian Anderson's because our outfield defense has been so subpar this year.

 

Of course I would say that Joe Crede is the best defensive player on this team, and Konerko's ability to pick balls out of the dirt at 1st also often goes overlooked.

Brian Anderson without a doubt, just because we have no back-up centerfielder.

 

Cintron is okay at short.....I can't wait til Juanny is healthy though.

Brian Anderson without a doubt, just because we have no back-up centerfielder.

 

Cintron is okay at short.....I can't wait til Juanny is healthy though.

 

 

Yeah, pretty much.

I value Scott Podsednik's defense the most because everytime he actually catches the ball I'm relieved.

 

Actually, out of these two options, I would say Brian Anderson's because our outfield defense has been so subpar this year.

 

Of course I would say that Joe Crede is the best defensive player on this team, and Konerko's ability to pick balls out of the dirt at 1st also often goes overlooked.

Very true... somehow, Crede completely slipped my mind when I started this, so I changed it to Uribe and Anderson being two of the top three defenders

 

The reason I choose Uribe and Anderson though, is because they are both hitting so poorly, so I just want to see which one people tolerate more.

This season, Brian Anderson, because Uribe has not been as good as I'd hoped he would be after seeing him in the 2nd half of last season.

When there's a knowledgable source saying that a certain player is having the great half-season defensively since 1887, you kind of have to go with that guy.

I'll go with Uribe because I miss him right now.

I'll go with Uribe because I miss him right now.

 

Not saying this correlates, but we've done pretty well since he's been out.

Not saying this correlates, but we've done pretty well since he's been out.

A certain cane of questionable craftsmanship might have something to do with that.

Not saying this correlates, but we've done pretty well since he's been out.

 

We have. But still for some reason Cintron makes me very nervous over there. Last night was a perfect example. Do you think Joe would have cut that ball off in the 9th if it'd been Juan there?....I doubt it. The other thing...on the near double up where Ozzie got ejected...Cintron was absolutely clueless. He flipped the ball to Crede who fired it to first...shouldn't have even been close.

 

As for BA or Juan...Cintron's D really hasn't cost any runs. Mack in center...that's a different story.

A certain cane of questionable craftsmanship might have something to do with that.

 

PFC takes no credit for the fortunate turn of events of late...but some still believe there's a greater power at work than the team on the field.

without question, Uribe. But I don't think it's a fair comparison given the number of plays involving a SS. And Abreu nearly beat out a sharply hit ground ball to Cintron last night after Alex took an extra step to load and fire. Juan's got a cannon - we miss him.

without question, Uribe. But I don't think it's a fair comparison given the number of plays involving a SS. And Abreu nearly beat out a sharply hit ground ball to Cintron last night after Alex took an extra step to load and fire. Juan's got a cannon - we miss him.

So, Uribe's been out for 5 games or so...can you point to a single game where Uribe being out has cost us a run on defense? I don't think I can. However, in the last 3 times Mackowiak has started in CF, I can point to 1 instance in each game where him being in CF has directly cost us a run, and several others where him being in CF has either made the pitcher work harder or made a situation for a pitcher worse and wound up costing us runs that way.

 

It may just be because of the much larger difference in performance between our "2" center fielders, but I feel a lot worse when Mack gets a start than I do when Cintron does.

Anderson because he doesnt let his poor offense messup with his great defense.

So, Uribe's been out for 5 games or so...can you point to a single game where Uribe being out has cost us a run on defense? I don't think I can. However, in the last 3 times Mackowiak has started in CF, I can point to 1 instance in each game where him being in CF has directly cost us a run, and several others where him being in CF has either made the pitcher work harder or made a situation for a pitcher worse and wound up costing us runs that way.

 

It may just be because of the much larger difference in performance between our "2" center fielders, but I feel a lot worse when Mack gets a start than I do when Cintron does.

Javy worked out of a jam last night in the first when Alex couldn't handle Jeter's ground ball that was ridiculously ruled a base hit and not an error. Granted, it didn't lead to a run, but that was thanks to Javy.

 

But I do have to agree with you in terms of subs, I feel that Cintron is far more competent at short than Mack is in center. Not even close.

Javy worked out of a jam last night in the first when Alex couldn't handle Jeter's ground ball that was ridiculously ruled a base hit and not an error. Granted, it didn't lead to a run, but that was thanks to Javy.

 

But I do have to agree with you in terms of subs, I feel that Cintron is far more competent at short than Mack is in center. Not even close.

 

Jeter is pretty fast. Had Cintron actually come up with that ball, Jeter probably still would've beaten it out considering how far Alex had to go to his right.

Jeter is pretty fast. Had Cintron actually come up with that ball, Jeter probably still would've beaten it out considering how far Alex had to go to his right.

but what about Juan?

but what about Juan?

 

That's still a long range to the right. I agree that Uribe would've had a better chance, but it would've been an extremely tough throw. It probably would've had to have been a perfect laser right to PK, and Uribe has a tendency to bounce them in there.

That's still a long range to the right. I agree that Uribe would've had a better chance, but it would've been an extremely tough throw. It probably would've had to have been a perfect laser right to PK, and Uribe has a tendency to bounce them in there.

Carlton Fisk's is better all the way around, because he played for Boston.

 

/carry on.

 

compared to the league norm, uribe is more valuable....ie defensive VORP.....however, since on the whitesox, the replacement players are mack and cintron, anderson D is more valuable because you dont lose as much going from uribe to cintron as you do from anderson to mack.....

 

that is......(Anderson - Mack) > (Uribe - Cintron), but when they are both playing, uribe is more valuable than anderson, and i dont really even think its that close

Brian Anderson without a doubt, just because we have no back-up centerfielder.

 

Cintron is okay at short.....I can't wait til Juanny is healthy though.

^^^^^

 

Taking nothing away from Juan, my impression is that the dropoff is so much greater in cf that I'd go with Brian.

 

But I'm a fan of both, I'm not saying I would want Uribe out.

It may just be because of the much larger difference in performance between our "2" center fielders, but I feel a lot worse when Mack gets a start than I do when Cintron does.

Agreed, that was another big reason for me in choosing Anderson.

 

And, as someone also mentioned, Anderson doesn't let his plate struggles affect his play in the field.

Anderson because he doesnt let his poor offense messup with his great defense.

With Anderson in, as opposed to Mackowiak ,I've seen some games where he may make a two run difference in his fielding. Mackowiak is ok on the corner but Anderson maybe as good or better than any centerfielder defensively in the majors. When the ball is hit in Dye or Anderson's direction base runners are afraid to advance.. I'd like to see one more strong arm in left.......................