From the Sun-Times:

I don't covet the idea of facing Freddy in the playoffs, but any package that includes Santana sure gets my attention.

 

Here's the link. Scroll down, as it appears to be a blank page at first.

 

sign me up. id do it straight up for f***s sake.

Figgins is "teh sux" hes in the same boat and Podsednik and Pierre, this FA class and offseason has shown us that the price for the unknown(Matz) is HIGH and that the price for the known(Zito,Schmidt,Garcia,ect.) is going to be even higher, wait until the dust settles for Zito and Schmidt, KW will get what he wants for one(Pelfry & Humber) possibly two of our starters.

 

You want to give Garcia away for a speedy utility player that had an OBP of .336 and throw in a propsect, hoping that gets the deal done.

 

Figgins has a career .345 OBP (not great, but not terrible) and has averaged 57 SBs over the past two seasons. His numbers were down last year, but he's still young, he can play a number of positions, and we'll desperately need a leadoff hitter when Pods leaves. Comparing Figgins to Pods is ridiculous.

 

Agreed that this would be a backup plan. KW definitely needs to try to get more (i.e., a young starter). But if he can't, I wouldn't mind seeing Freddy's $10 million salary, Pods' bad defense/injuries, and a low-level prospect shipped out of town for Figgins.

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why would the angels want freddy over santana when santana had the better season next year, and projects to be the much better starting pitcher for the next five years?

why would the angels want freddy over santana when santana had the better season next year, and projects to be the much better starting pitcher for the next five years?

the same reason alot of people on here want to keep Freddy, because he is "proven."

Unless the team he wants the players from are the ones which sign those FAs. Then he loses out on that player. If KW trades for the player he wants first then that team won't need to sign the FA. Why might a team do that???? To save the money.

 

There are pros and cons to trading early. I think KW usually trades early because he has certain players targeted and wants to make sure he gets them. Like his arguements about Boras, he has a value of his players and value of the other players and will make the trade to get what he wants.

 

There are only so many good pitchers to go around, and luckly KW has a surplus this offseason. If the mets sign Zito more power to them, they just take him of the market. Teams like the Rangers and Yankees will be forced to pony up and vice versa, either way there are plenty of good prospects in teams that are looking to cotend respective farm systems. If not Pelfry and Humber then Hurley and Danks, so on and so on. The names are interchangeable the talent remains the same.

why would the angels want freddy over santana when santana had the better season next year, and projects to be the much better starting pitcher for the next five years?

As if general managers always make wise decisions.

 

Perhaps Angels feel their opportunity to contend within the AL West is slowly diminishing, and for what Garcia may offer them next season -- perhaps added with a contract below market value -- he's more valuable than a pitching project in Santana. Unless he's hurt, I don't care to know their reasons.

the same reason alot of people on here want to keep Freddy, because he is "proven."

 

"proven" to sweat.

 

this deal helps you now, and in the future... santana is cheaper, had a better era and whip last season, and has no where to go but up...

Figgins has a career .345 OBP (not great, but not terrible) and has averaged 57 SBs over the past two seasons. His numbers were down last year, but he's still young, he can play a number of positions, and we'll desperately need a leadoff hitter when Pods leaves. Comparing Figgins to Pods is ridiculous.

 

Agreed that this would be a backup plan. KW definitely needs to try to get more (i.e., a young starter). But if he can't, I wouldn't mind seeing Freddy's $10 million salary, Pods' bad defense/injuries, and a low-level prospect shipped out of town for Figgins.

 

Pods career OBP .342. Averaged 49.5 SBs the past two seasons. Not much difference there that I can see. Certainly not a major upgrade.

Or maybe the Angels see he only pitches well in Anaheim or there are problems with his elbow.

 

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Figgins has a career .345 OBP (not great, but not terrible) and has averaged 57 SBs over the past two seasons. His numbers were down last year, but he's still young, he can play a number of positions, and we'll desperately need a leadoff hitter when Pods leaves. Comparing Figgins to Pods is ridiculous.

 

Podsednik has a career .342 OBP and pods has averaged 49.5 SBs over the same two seasons, Scotts numbers were down last year too. The only thing figgins does better than Scott is play defense, thats about it, and hes a switch hitter. The fact remains they both suck.

 

 

Agreed that this would be a backup plan. KW definitely needs to try to get more (i.e., a young starter). But if he can't, I wouldn't mind seeing Freddy's $10 million salary, Pods' bad defense/injuries, and a low-level prospect shipped out of town for Figgins.

 

Once again your overpaying, SP > utitily speedy lead off men with crappy OBP and little to no power.

Just for the sake of arguing, would people rather trade McCarthy or Santana for Crawford?

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Nov 17, 2006 -> 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Just for the sake of arguing, would people rather trade McCarthy or Santana for Crawford?

I'd be in favor of trading something for Santana then trading him for Crawford. Wasn't Tampa rumored to be interested in Santana last year?

Pods career OBP .342. Averaged 49.5 SBs the past two seasons. Not much difference there that I can see. Certainly not a major upgrade.

 

Of course, Pods is below-average defensively in LF (and couldn't play CF or 3B on a regular basis, either) and is constantly re-aggravating the strained groin that he suffered over a year ago. I'd take Figgins over him in a heartbeat.

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Of course, Pods can't play defense in LF (much less at CF and 3B as well) and is constantly re-aggravating the strained groin he suffered over a year ago. I'd take Figgins over him in a heartbeat.

 

sure, ill bite. But you would give up Garcia and a prospect to get him?

Of course, Pods can't play defense in LF (much less at CF and 3B as well) and is constantly re-aggravating the strained groin he suffered over a year ago. I'd take Figgins over him in a heartbeat.

 

You threw the stats out there and said they weren't comparable. I compared them. Still, Figgens is not even close to a significant upgrade. Figgens ain't exactly a defensive whiz either.

sure, ill bite. But you would give up Garcia and a prospect to get him?

 

If it's a lower-level prospect and KW can't get a good young pitcher for Garcia, sure. I don't think it'll come to that, but I think that KW needs to get what he can for Freddy now. It'd be nice to have a legitimate leadoff hitter that isn't constantly fighting a strained groin and isn't a defensive liability.

Just for the sake of arguing, would people rather trade McCarthy or Santana for Crawford?

I'd rather maintain both, but for the sake of arguing....

 

I'd have to say McCarthy. He may ultimately be more successful, but because he has yet to pitch over an entire season in the majors, there's little evidence on how he'll fare.

You threw the stats out there and said they weren't comparable. I compared them. Still, Figgens is not even close to a significant upgrade. Figgens ain't exactly a defensive whiz either.

 

I never said that Figgins was a "significant upgrade." But he is an upgrade. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Pods a FA now?

I'd be in favor of trading something for Santana then trading him for Crawford. Wasn't Tampa rumored to be interested in Santana last year?

 

That's what I mean. If we were to trade for Santana, would you rather trade Ervin or McCarthy to the Rays for Crawford?

 

Which guy is projected to be better?

I never said that Figgins was a "significant upgrade." But he is an upgrade. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Pods a FA now?

Nope Pods still has 2 Arb years remaining so he'll be eligible for free agency after the '08 season.

I never said that Figgins was a "significant upgrade." But he is an upgrade. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Pods a FA now?

 

Okay. I'll give in. he's a miniscule upgrade. Not enough to make a diffeerence, but whatever. Pods will be a FA if we don't offer arbitration, I believe.

If it's a lower-level prospect and KW can't get a good young pitcher for Garcia, sure. I don't think it'll come to that, but I think that KW needs to get what he can for Freddy now. It'd be nice to have a legitimate leadoff hitter that isn't constantly fighting a strained groin and isn't a defensive liability.

 

you realize that near the end of the year Scioscia had to move Chone down the order to the 9 spot because he wasn't producing right?

 

If KW can't get what he wants for one of his SP, then he schould just hang onto him and deal Pods. Giving Sweeney a shot in LF and bat Iguchi lead off, near the ASB someone will come calling for a SP. Just have McCarthy start the year at AAA, if thats the case(which i highly doubt).

You threw the stats out there and said they weren't comparable. I compared them. Still, Figgens is not even close to a significant upgrade. Figgens ain't exactly a defensive whiz either.

Especially at 3B, he is a butcher there. He also has the same noodle arm as PODS if I remember correctly.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Nov 17, 2006 -> 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That's what I mean. If we were to trade for Santana, would you rather trade Ervin or McCarthy to the Rays for Crawford?

 

Which guy is projected to be better?

Yes I would.

Especially at 3B, he is a butcher there. He also has the same noodle arm as PODS if I remember correctly.

 

The one thing that he can do better and that Ozzie wants is someone who can bunt...either for a hit or for a sacrifice. Pierre's good at it. Figgins is good at it. But, I would bet it's gotta be Garcia + someone for Santana and Figgins.