HuskyCaucasian Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Feb 7, 2008 -> 02:02 PM) Ah good old Clintonian double-talk... Guess who has spent $5 million out their own pockets, and is still slipping in the polls... She's not really putting herself out there. She is LOANING the money. meaning, she has to be paid back. One of the last checks she writes in the primaries, will be to herself for $5,000,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Hillary's "money problems" were a stunt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Apparently the Clinton campaign is holding a press conference to announce a record amount of donations in the last day or 2. Why a press conference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Feb 7, 2008 -> 02:09 PM) She's not really putting herself out there. She is LOANING the money. meaning, she has to be paid back. One of the last checks she writes in the primaries, will be to herself for $5,000,000. Â Oh well that makes it totally different... Please. Â Would she be able to have that money if the Clinton's weren't multimillionaires? No. That makes her no different than Bloomberg or Romney. Its the typical hypocrisy for them to rally against something they are doing themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Feb 7, 2008 -> 12:11 PM) Apparently the Clinton campaign is holding a press conference to announce a record amount of donations in the last day or 2. Why a press conference? Because her campaign needs press coverage...and Obama raked in like 1.75 times what she raked in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Feb 7, 2008 -> 11:14 AM) Rasmussen Reports: Obama and Clintons tied at 44%Â Interesting Point: I have long said, "If you aren't for Hillary, you are against her". Well, look at the stats. She has been consistently 35-45%. However, Obama has been in the mid to high 20s. Over the past 2 months, Obama has been pulling MANY of the undecideds and other candidates. He has jumped to 44%. Where is Hillary? Still where she was 3 months ago. Gallup, OTOH, shows the exact opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Feb 7, 2008 -> 02:14 PM) Because her campaign needs press coverage...and Obama raked in like 1.75 times what she raked in. Typical Clinton tactic... "look at what we did! it's amazing! pay no attention to the people over there doing something MORE amazing. Ours is amazing enough" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 thank god someone with a larger forum to make fun ripped hillary for the endless clap clap point point crap. Â should have gone with: smile smile clap clap nod nod point point. Â i cant stand that woman and the idea of the clintons beating out obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I wish I had a post here I could point to, but when I first heard of Hillary's money woes I wondered if it wasn't a ploy to get more donors into a healthy campaign... Â If I was Obama, I would be pounding this on the road... How can you believe Hillary when she says her campaign is running out of money, when she says she has to "loan" herself $5MM from her own pockets, then turns around and admits it was a ploy to get more donors. The Clintons, just like our current administration, will have the public believe what they want them to believe in order to further their own political goals. Â The American public should not knowingly be misled. That is how we get into protracted wars. That is how we get the overreaching Patriot Act. The American Public does not need another 4 years of played a fool by our highest elected official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 7, 2008 Author Share Posted February 7, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Feb 7, 2008 -> 03:15 PM) Gallup, OTOH, shows the exact opposite. I wouldn't put anything into that OR the Rasmussen poll, since they are all only up through the day of SDOGPEIT. Give the rolling polls a few days to let that soak in. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Hmmm, not surprisingly some more lies are told about Obama in this mailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Feb 7, 2008 -> 12:32 PM) Hmmm, not surprisingly some more lies are told about Obama in this mailer. I think the Mailers, on both sides, have been by far the worst garbage of this campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 (edited) By the way here's a photo from Tuesday's Obama rally. I realize now that I need a better camera. Â By the way that's Dick Durbin that Michelle is hugging. Edited February 8, 2008 by BigSqwert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Not sure if you guys heard this or not, but there is a rumor floating around that Michigan and Florida might REDO their primaries post-March 4th. Rumor is Michigan would do some sort of a caucus, but Florida is a different story. They might take the "national average" and divide there delegates that way. Â Below is last nights Countdown with Kieth Olberman... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Obama Results Center... Obama - 910 Clinton - 882 Â Not sure where they are getting hteir numbers. i think they are projecting. According to a combination of MSNBC and CNN, I have the count at.. Obama - 858 Clinton - 863 With 71 yet to be assigned. however, those states with delegates outstanding are states Obama won handely (CO, GA, IL). So, most will tip his way. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Feb 8, 2008 -> 10:31 AM) Not sure if you guys heard this or not, but there is a rumor floating around that Michigan and Florida might REDO their primaries post-March 4th. Rumor is Michigan would do some sort of a caucus, but Florida is a different story. They might take the "national average" and divide there delegates that way. Â Below is last nights Countdown with Kieth Olberman... Â I haven't head that, and for Florida at least I seriously doubt it will happen. At any rate, it's not going to matter in Florida because a second vote would still split delegates essentially 50/50 or maybe slightly more for Clinton. No way that is going to dictate a winner. Sadly, it really looks like it's going to come down to the superdelegates and at a brokered convention. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Feb 8, 2008 -> 10:30 AM) I haven't head that, and for Florida at least I seriously doubt it will happen. At any rate, it's not going to matter in Florida because a second vote would still split delegates essentially 50/50 or maybe slightly more for Clinton. No way that is going to dictate a winner. Sadly, it really looks like it's going to come down to the superdelegates and at a brokered convention. I think there needs to be an agreement after the last primary. Make is simple. No superdelegate decisions. Whoever has the most pledged delegates wins, the other steps aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Feb 8, 2008 -> 11:32 AM) I think there needs to be an agreement after the last primary. Make is simple. No superdelegate decisions. Whoever has the most pledged delegates wins, the other steps aside. Â That would be up to Dean and the candidates I guess, and Dean has noted he's looking to make some sort of compromise if there is no clear frontrunner by March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Feb 8, 2008 -> 10:59 AM) That would be up to Dean and the candidates I guess, and Dean has noted he's looking to make some sort of compromise if there is no clear frontrunner by March. Well, it would be hypocritical for Obama to fight if Hillary won the state delegates. the whole campaign has been about the people. what the people want. If Clinton wons, the people wanted her. He should step aside in my opinion. However, i am not to sure about Hillary. I think there would be a LOT of pressure for her to move aside, but we all know the Clintons are stubborn. They'll fight it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Did some quick math, if the democrats were "winner take all" like most of the Republican states, Obama would be only be trailing Hillary by a count of 836-979. Factor in the projections for this weekend... 994-1003. Talk about CLOSE even with her wining CA, NY, and NJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Feb 8, 2008 -> 12:02 PM) Well, it would be hypocritical for Obama to fight if Hillary won the state delegates. the whole campaign has been about the people. what the people want. If Clinton wons, the people wanted her. He should step aside in my opinion. However, i am not to sure about Hillary. I think there would be a LOT of pressure for her to move aside, but we all know the Clintons are stubborn. They'll fight it. Â It would be hypocritical if the DNC started to ebtertaining the possibility of seating the FL and 50%MI delegates as determined on 1/29 after stating in no uncertain terms that they would not be seated because the early primary occurred in violation of the party rules. A revote or a caucus in March would eliinate that problem (not that I'm sure the state would agree to hold it), but if the national superdelegates are still the trump card then I don't see how a revote and a newr 50-50 split of a couple hundred delegates will settle anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Feb 8, 2008 -> 09:31 AM) Not sure if you guys heard this or not, but there is a rumor floating around that Michigan and Florida might REDO their primaries post-March 4th. Rumor is Michigan would do some sort of a caucus, but Florida is a different story. They might take the "national average" and divide there delegates that way. Â Below is last nights Countdown with Kieth Olberman... Â I don't mind them revoting. I do not want to see them count ballots based on both candidates not having equal footing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 (edited) Whoah...what is going on here? I need more details.  http://tinyurl.com/2kum8p   UPDATE: http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmem...es_to_war_w.php Edited February 8, 2008 by BigSqwert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Feb 8, 2008 -> 09:31 AM) Not sure if you guys heard this or not, but there is a rumor floating around that Michigan and Florida might REDO their primaries post-March 4th. Rumor is Michigan would do some sort of a caucus, but Florida is a different story. They might take the "national average" and divide there delegates that way. Â Below is last nights Countdown with Kieth Olberman... Â I was going to ask if they could have a do over and schedule primaries yesterday but I thought my Al Gore VP question would get me yelled at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 N.J. superdelegate for Clinton now undecided. Is this the first time that a pledged superdelegate has decided to unpledge themselves this campaign cycle (not involving campaign dropouts of course)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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