Well KW supposedly told Buerhle he would be going after some big names.. I think if they can somehow get someone to take Contreras for half of the rest of his salary than he can make a decent splash... But who?

Edited August 19, 200718 yr by GreatScott82

Well KW supposedly told Buerhle he would be going after some big names.. I think if they can somehow get someone to take Contreras for half of the rest of his salary than he can make a decent splash... But who?

 

I'm sure ridding or reducing the amount owed to Contreras by trade will significantly help, but I think the Sox will open the payroll books a little this winter as well.

Why all the hate for Owens in CF next year? If he keeps making improvements, I think he can be very solid out there. Then, we won't have to tie up a bunch of money in a FA CF, and we can see whay needs to be done to get a good SS, which I see as the biggest hole in the lineup.

 

I think if we trade Garland or Count, they will be replaced by one of Masset, Floyd, Gio, or Eggy. Danks made the jump from AA so I think Eggy and Gio could.

 

My 3 biggest concerns are SS, leadoff hitter and a veteran bullpen arm.

Well I like the signing for 2 years. Dye should be able to at least put up the production that he has this season, with the potential for more.

 

I guess this may take us out of the Rowand sweepstakes, unless Garland was dealt to free up some salary.

Why all the hate for Owens in CF next year? If he keeps making improvements, I think he can be very solid out there. Then, we won't have to tie up a bunch of money in a FA CF, and we can see whay needs to be done to get a good SS, which I see as the biggest hole in the lineup.

What does Jerry do well outside of 'run fast'?

 

I know he's been amazing since being recalled in early July . . .

 

39 G | 156 AB | 19 R | 49 H | 2 2B | 1 3B | 1 HR | 7 RBI | 8 BB | 27 K | 14SB/3CS | .269/.313/.314/.627

 

and even better since July 19th (beginning of the BOS series) . . .

 

25 G | 106 AB | 8 R | 26 H | 2 2B | 1 3B | 1 HR | 4 RBI | 4 BB | 19 K | 9SB/0CS | .245/.279/.311/.590

 

but can't this team do better than a dirt poor, barely breathing (possibly dead) man's Nook Logan in the leadoff spot next year?

 

It's pretty obvious the organization wants to go for it again in 2008. With a group of aging (but still quite good) veterans leading the way, this team is going to need a productive leadoff hitter if they want to win anything. I can't see Jerry Owens posting anything better than a .265/.305/.315/.620 (this is on the optimistic side) line in 500+ ABs next year and that's not going to get it done. I just don't think he's all that talented.

What does Jerry do well outside of 'run fast'?

 

I know he's been amazing since being recalled in early July . . .

 

39 G | 156 AB | 19 R | 49 H | 2 2B | 1 3B | 1 HR | 7 RBI | 8 BB | 27 K | 14SB/3CS | .269/.313/.314/.627

 

and even better since July 19th (beginning of the BOS series) . . .

 

25 G | 106 AB | 8 R | 26 H | 2 2B | 1 3B | 1 HR | 4 RBI | 4 BB | 19 K | 9SB/0CS | .245/.279/.311/.590

 

but can't this team do better than a dirt poor, barely breathing (possibly dead) man's Nook Logan in the leadoff spot next year?

 

It's pretty obvious the organization wants to go for it again in 2008. With a group of aging (but still quite good) veterans leading the way, this team is going to need a productive leadoff hitter if they want to win anything. I can't see Jerry Owens posting anything better than a .260/.295/.315/.610 (this is on the optimistic side) line in 500+ ABs next year and that's not going to get it done. I just don't think he's all that talented.

 

The problem is that a good leadoff man/CF costs $10 million on the open market. With our payroll we need at least couple guys in the starting line up earning minimum wage. Owens and Fields seem to be the most servicable guys at positions that are open for competition right now.

 

What does Jerry do well outside of 'run fast'?

 

I know he's been amazing since being recalled in early July . . .

 

39 G | 156 AB | 19 R | 49 H | 2 2B | 1 3B | 1 HR | 7 RBI | 8 BB | 27 K | 14SB/3CS | .269/.313/.314/.627

 

and even better since July 19th (beginning of the BOS series) . . .

 

25 G | 106 AB | 8 R | 26 H | 2 2B | 1 3B | 1 HR | 4 RBI | 4 BB | 19 K | 9SB/0CS | .245/.279/.311/.590

 

but can't this team do better than a dirt poor, barely breathing (possibly dead) man's Nook Logan in the leadoff spot next year?

 

It's pretty obvious the organization wants to go for it again in 2008. With a group of aging (but still quite good) veterans leading the way, this team is going to need a productive leadoff hitter if they want to win anything. I can't see Jerry Owens posting anything better than a .260/.295/.315/.610 (this is on the optimistic side) line in 500+ ABs next year and that's not going to get it done. I just don't think he's all that talented.

So, you see him regressing since what he has done in since July?? If he just learns a bit more patience, and get on base more often, he can keep stealing at a good clip and cause all of kinds of problems on the base paths. I have also seen him make some very nice plays in the OF. I enjoy watching him play, and think he can be solid.

 

Also, who says he needs to be leadoff. Can't you try and get a SS that can also lead off?

What does Jerry do well outside of 'run fast'?

 

I know he's been amazing since being recalled in early July . . .

 

39 G | 156 AB | 19 R | 49 H | 2 2B | 1 3B | 1 HR | 7 RBI | 8 BB | 27 K | 14SB/3CS | .269/.313/.314/.627

 

and even better since July 19th (beginning of the BOS series) . . .

 

25 G | 106 AB | 8 R | 26 H | 2 2B | 1 3B | 1 HR | 4 RBI | 4 BB | 19 K | 9SB/0CS | .245/.279/.311/.590

 

but can't this team do better than a dirt poor, barely breathing (possibly dead) man's Nook Logan in the leadoff spot next year?

 

It's pretty obvious the organization wants to go for it again in 2008. With a group of aging (but still quite good) veterans leading the way, this team is going to need a productive leadoff hitter if they want to win anything. I can't see Jerry Owens posting anything better than a .260/.295/.315/.610 (this is on the optimistic side) line in 500+ ABs next year and that's not going to get it done. I just don't think he's all that talented.

 

 

Giving up pretty easy, eh? He has improved, just like Fields has improved. You could be right, of course, but they have to have SOME cheaper position players. Fields is one, Richar is another. Would that be enough? If you got, let's say, Hunter?

 

How about this (although I'm sure it's a longshot)?

 

LF Owens

CF Hunter

RF Dye

1B Konerko

2B Richar

3B Fields

SS ???

C Pierzynski

DH Thome

 

Bench Erstad, Ozuna, Hall, Gonzalez, Sweeney/Anderson

 

SP Buehrle, Garland Vazquez, Danks, Current AA/AAA pitcher

RP Wasserman, Logan, Thornton, Jenks, Aardsma, FA veteran

 

I think that's pretty good.

A few of my thoughts from reading over through this thread:

 

1. Thome will be back. I say there's a .1 chance of him not coming back.

2. Crede will be non-tendered. I don't see KW risking that 3-4 million on Crede when we have a) 3B filled and B) other holes

3. If we really need a speedy guy to leadoff and play LF, please be Owens. Cheaper, younger, and arguably better then Erstad and Podsednik. Neither of the grinder duo should be back.

4. Contreras needs to be traded.

5. Garland, maybe.

What does Jerry do well outside of 'run fast'?

 

I know he's been amazing since being recalled in early July . . .

 

39 G | 156 AB | 19 R | 49 H | 2 2B | 1 3B | 1 HR | 7 RBI | 8 BB | 27 K | 14SB/3CS | .269/.313/.314/.627

 

and even better since July 19th (beginning of the BOS series) . . .

 

25 G | 106 AB | 8 R | 26 H | 2 2B | 1 3B | 1 HR | 4 RBI | 4 BB | 19 K | 9SB/0CS | .245/.279/.311/.590

 

but can't this team do better than a dirt poor, barely breathing (possibly dead) man's Nook Logan in the leadoff spot next year?

 

It's pretty obvious the organization wants to go for it again in 2008. With a group of aging (but still quite good) veterans leading the way, this team is going to need a productive leadoff hitter if they want to win anything. I can't see Jerry Owens posting anything better than a .265/.305/.315/.620 (this is on the optimistic side) line in 500+ ABs next year and that's not going to get it done. I just don't think he's all that talented.

 

I agree completely, but if my choices are down to him, Erstad, and Podsednik for LF and leading off, I'm afraid I'd have to choose Owens. You?

A few of my thoughts from reading over through this thread:

 

1. Thome will be back. I say there's a .1 chance of him not coming back.

2. Crede will be non-tendered. I don't see KW risking that 3-4 million on Crede when we have a) 3B filled and B) other holes

3. If we really need a speedy guy to leadoff and play LF, please be Owens. Cheaper, younger, and arguably better then Erstad and Podsednik. Neither of the grinder duo should be back.

4. Contreras needs to be traded.

5. Garland, maybe.

 

If Garland AND Contreras are traded, we better get back a young proven major league arm. Or a VERY HIGH upside, less than a year away major league arm. Like a Jason Hirsh.

I agree completely, but if my choices are down to him, Erstad, and Podsednik for LF and leading off, I'm afraid I'd have to choose Owens. You?

I'll take Nook Logan or Ryan Church over any of them and I think Nook is terrible and Church is only decent.

If Garland AND Contreras are traded, we better get back a young proven major league arm. Or a VERY HIGH upside, less than a year away major league arm. Like a Jason Hirsh.

 

Wasn't Hirsch one of the pitchers in the near Garland/Houston deal?

Wasn't Hirsch one of the pitchers in the near Garland/Houston deal?

Yes

If Garland AND Contreras are traded, we better get back a young proven major league arm. Or a VERY HIGH upside, less than a year away major league arm. Like a Jason Hirsh.

 

I don't see what anyone sees in Jason Hirsh. He is very mediocre. That package Colorado got from Houston would not be a good return for Garland. Good for someone like Jason Jennings, but not Garland. However, I would like to have to have Willy T. on this team.

 

To me, it doesn't matter what we get in return for Contreras as I think most of the potential starters we have in the minors can't do much worse then him.

 

Garland, I'd rather see being kept, but if KW is going to go and try and make another free agent signing, to save some $$$ I could see Garland dealt, and hopefully a SS being brought back.

 

I like our pitching depth in the minors and we are dealing from a position of strength when we trade starting pitching. While it wouldn't be the best rotation in the world, I could live with one consisting of: Buehrle, Vazquez, Danks, and 2 of Egbert/Gio/Massett/Sisco/Broadway/Haeger/Cheap FA/guy via trade.

I'll take Nook Logan or Ryan Church over any of them and I think Nook is terrible and Church is only decent.

I don't know about Nook, but Church, definitly.

Nice interviews with both JD and Kenny before the game tonight. JD really wanted to be here and didn't care about searching out more money or more years. The other interesting thing is that there is a third year on the deal which is a dual option.

I like Dye for the next two years. $11 mill per is the going rate.

 

I could see Kenny going hard after Michael Bourn of the Phils. Though he's not a sure thing, Bourn seems a better bet than Owens for CF. And the sox have some arms in Sisco, Masset and Aardsma that the Phils would probably take a pass on. With Dye locked up, the sox need some low cost, high yield type position players.

I like Dye for the next two years. $11 mill per is the going rate.

 

I could see Kenny going hard after Michael Bourn of the Phils. Though he's not a sure thing, Bourn seems a better bet than Owens for CF. And the sox have some arms in Sisco, Masset and Aardsma that the Phils would probably take a pass on. With Dye locked up, the sox need some low cost, high yield type position players.

It looks to me that the Phillies are going to let Rowand go and probably have Bourne in CF to replace him.

It looks to me that the Phillies are going to let Rowand go and probably have Bourne in CF to replace him.

They probably will try to re-sign Rowand. The Phils also could use Shane Victorino in CF. Victorino and Bourn aren't power guys. One of the 2 OFers along with Burrell should have some power.

They probably will try to re-sign Rowand. The Phils also could use Shane Victorino in CF. Victorino and Bourn aren't power guys. One of the 2 OFers along with Burrell should have some power.

I hate that statement so freaking much. Why do they have to be power guys? Sure, you'd like to have power from your corner OF's, but if you get power from 1B, 2B, SS, LF, and a few other places possibly, you don't need to 2 power guys in the OF.

I hate that statement so freaking much. Why do they have to be power guys? Sure, you'd like to have power from your corner OF's, but if you get power from 1B, 2B, SS, LF, and a few other places possibly, you don't need to 2 power guys in the OF.

Because teams in the NL need to have power from key spots with the weak #8 hitters and the pitchers spot [typically, power comes from the corners on the IF and OF]. Though Rollins has showed some power at SS, he hasn't had power numbers in the past. And Utley has hit for power at 2b. The Phils have weak production at 3B and RF.

 

It probably depends on if the Phils re-sign Rowand if they deal Bourn.

 

I could see the Phils being interested in Crede.

I definitely could see Crede with the Phillies. I think it would be a good situation for him to with Dobbs there as Dobbs is a decent player, he isn't good enough to play everyday. Just by looking at the phillies lineup, they have plently of power. Rollins has turned into a a pretty decent power hitter and would be good for at least 15, if not 25. Victorino can also hit in the 10-20 range. I really don't see the Phillies offering Rowand the money he will be getting in free agency.

I don't mind this move as long as he is the DH next year. Nothing against Thome, but you have to give up something good to get anything, go out and get a nice return KW