August 31, 200718 yr I'll speculate. Eckstein will be playing 2nd. ARod will be at short. 2b Eckstein Lf Fields DH Thome SS Arod Rf Dye 1b Konerko C AJ 3b Crede Cf Owens I'm trying to think like KW. Who could the Sox be trying to get that Buehrle would think would be a stretch? KW will try to make big moves. 1. He always does. 2. Doesn't want this pathetic season to erode the season ticket base. 3. KW rumored to be after ARod before. Eckstein also has a good relationship with the Sox new manager, Tony LaRussa.
September 1, 200718 yr Tejada will probably be talked about again this offseason. Though I'm sure it would cost us Gio and something else. No thanks.
September 1, 200718 yr QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Aug 31, 2007 -> 03:22 PM) Uribe is much better than Eckstein defensively, and SS is a defensive position. Well, we're close to the worst offensive team in baseball, we need to do something to improve the offense if we're going to contend next season. Getting Crede back and playing Fields in LF will only do so much, even if we do sign a top flight CF. I think that getting rid of one of the worst offensive regulars in the majors would be pretty helpful.
September 1, 200718 yr QUOTE(Jeremy @ Sep 1, 2007 -> 02:39 AM) Well, we're close to the worst offensive team in baseball, we need to do something to improve the offense if we're going to contend next season. Getting Crede back and playing Fields in LF will only do so much, even if we do sign a top flight CF. I think that getting rid of one of the worst offensive regulars in the majors would be pretty helpful. Sweet....I can't wait to give up more outs bunting before a 3-4-5 that can hit 110 homers.
September 1, 200718 yr QUOTE(103 mph screwball @ Aug 31, 2007 -> 06:54 PM) I'll speculate. Eckstein will be playing 2nd. ARod will be at short. 2b Eckstein Lf Fields DH Thome SS Arod Rf Dye 1b Konerko C AJ 3b Crede Cf Owens I'm trying to think like KW. Who could the Sox be trying to get that Buehrle would think would be a stretch? KW will try to make big moves. 1. He always does. 2. Doesn't want this pathetic season to erode the season ticket base. 3. KW rumored to be after ARod before. Eckstein also has a good relationship with the Sox new manager, Tony LaRussa. I'll play along -- IF we're willing to spend over 20 million for Rodriguez, there are going to be quite a few changes within the rotation and lineup. Cheap alternatives need to be scattered around the diamond to offset Rodriguez' salary. For one, I don't believe we'd sign Eckstein; Richar would be the option. It'd have to be almost necessary for Williams to acquire someone cheap AND talented for LF, because Fields would undoubtedly play 3B. Contreras and Garland would be gone as well. Likely to be replaced by two of Floyd, Egbert, Gonzalez, Broadway. Is a lineup of.. FA/Prospect in LF Owens Dye Fields Rodriguez Richar Konerko Thome Pierzynski and rotation of Buehrle Danks Gonzalez Egbert Vazquez capable of reaching the playoffs? Depending upon the LFer, the progression of Richar and Fields, and whatever we receive from Egbert and Gonzalez, it'd atleast be an interesting ballclub. I doubt they'd reach the playoffs, but attention would certaintly be on the ballclub with Rodriguez. You'd just have to ignore Boras as his agent, or the likelihood New York retains him. Which are fairly important items and just about render the enter scenario unlikely.
September 1, 200718 yr QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Aug 31, 2007 -> 08:13 PM) I'll play along -- IF we're willing to spend over 20 million for Rodriguez, there are going to be quite a few changes within the rotation and lineup. Cheap alternatives need to be scattered around the diamond to offset Rodriguez' salary. For one, I don't believe we'd sign Eckstein; Richar would be the option. It'd have to be almost necessary for Williams to acquire someone cheap AND talented for LF, because Fields would undoubtedly play 3B. Contreras and Garland would be gone as well. Likely to be replaced by two of Floyd, Egbert, Gonzalez, Broadway. Is a lineup of.. FA/Prospect in LF Owens Dye Fields Rodriguez Richar Konerko Thome Pierzynski and rotation of Buehrle Danks Gonzalez Egbert Vazquez capable of reaching the playoffs? Depending upon the LFer, the progression of Richar and Fields, and whatever we receive from Egbert and Gonzalez, it'd atleast be an interesting ballclub. I doubt they'd reach the playoffs, but attention would certaintly be on the ballclub with Rodriguez. You'd just have to ignore Boras as his agent, or the likelihood New York retains him. Which are fairly important items and just about render the enter scenario unlikely. So, the things I'd say: 1. The key to getting ARod is finding someone to take on Jose's salary. I'm fully convinced Garland will be moved hthis offseason...if we could also move Jose, that covers the salary right there and even saves $5 million by getting rid of Uribe. 2. Don't just pencil in the 2 AA guys yet. I'm fully of the opinion that one of Floyd, Broadway, and Haeger will be in the starting rotation next April after Garland is moved...most likely Floyd IMO, esp. if he can give us one or two more quality starts. 3. Joe Crede will be back next year no matter what, as far as I can tell. So your OF will look like Fields, Owens, Dye. If you have ARod at SS, Dye in RF, Thome at Dh, and Konerko at 1b, then I for one could certainly tolerate Owens and Richar as our 1-2 hitters...esp. if Owens keeps developing (I think he's leading off for us next year anyway.)
September 1, 200718 yr QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Aug 31, 2007 -> 10:13 PM) I'll play along -- IF we're willing to spend over 20 million for Rodriguez, there are going to be quite a few changes within the rotation and lineup. Cheap alternatives need to be scattered around the diamond to offset Rodriguez' salary. For one, I don't believe we'd sign Eckstein; Richar would be the option. It'd have to be almost necessary for Williams to acquire someone cheap AND talented for LF, because Fields would undoubtedly play 3B. Contreras and Garland would be gone as well. Likely to be replaced by two of Floyd, Egbert, Gonzalez, Broadway. Is a lineup of.. FA/Prospect in LF Owens Dye Fields Rodriguez Richar Konerko Thome Pierzynski and rotation of Buehrle Danks Gonzalez Egbert Vazquez capable of reaching the playoffs? Depending upon the LFer, the progression of Richar and Fields, and whatever we receive from Egbert and Gonzalez, it'd atleast be an interesting ballclub. I doubt they'd reach the playoffs, but attention would certaintly be on the ballclub with Rodriguez. You'd just have to ignore Boras as his agent, or the likelihood New York retains him. Which are fairly important items and just about render the enter scenario unlikely. That's probably not a good team.
September 1, 200718 yr QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Aug 31, 2007 -> 08:49 PM) That's probably not a good team. IMO, it's a hell of a lot better than you think...but then again, I'm the "Overrating our young guys" person and you're the "our young guys all suck" person.
September 1, 200718 yr QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 31, 2007 -> 10:55 PM) IMO, it's a hell of a lot better than you think...but then again, I'm the "Overrating our young guys" person and you're the "our young guys all suck" person. Actually, I'm going off on the veterans more than the young players, but they won't be too good either.
September 1, 200718 yr Signing Eckstein would officially make us the laughing stock of baseball... Good point. Unofficially we are the laughing stock of baseball right now. Adding A-Rod to the team actually could vault us back to contention PROVIDED we kept everybody else. Getting rid of others like Paulie, Thome, AJP, Garland, Mark to afford A-Rod would not solve anything. Edited September 1, 200718 yr by greg775
September 1, 200718 yr QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Aug 31, 2007 -> 04:47 PM) Like Aramis Ramirez? If you think he's a tool because he swears....heh, I don't even have a cute thing to say to that. Did you not read what I wrote? I said it has nothing to do with his swearing. Go back and read what I said.
September 1, 200718 yr Chicago White Sox = Baltimore Orioles This team is not one or two players away from contending. We've got last-place talent in Chicago, and the minors hold very little promise. We have the fourth-highest payroll in baseball. Don't think failure is the result of not being aggressive in getting high priced veterans; we're not the Twins trying to decide which of our home-grown superstars we can afford to re-sign and which we'll have to let walk. No, our problem is that we've overpaid for players in their decline phase. This is a fact and adding Eckstein, Hunter, or Jones would be going down that same path of failure we've already seen from the Orioles and now the White Sox over the last two years. What we need is young, cheap talent in our system. What we do not need is more declining veterans with eight-digit pricetags and multi-year demands.
September 1, 200718 yr QUOTE(JPN366 @ Sep 1, 2007 -> 07:36 AM) Did you not read what I wrote? I said it has nothing to do with his swearing. Go back and read what I said. 1. Still, I don't care how big a tool he is. As long as he's not a killer and has baseball tools. 2. What is he a tool for, then?
September 1, 200718 yr I wouldn't mind Eckstein for 2B actually... he just doesn't have much of an arm to be our everyday SS. I wonder if KW is still going to pursue Tejada this offseason? Get those 2 guys and add Rowand, we would be right back into the thick of things.. the problem is with that, is we wouldn't have barely any speed at all. Trade Contreras/Garland in a package for Tejada Sign Eck and A-Row Eckstein 2B Rowand CF Thome DH Konerko 1B Dye RF Tejada SS Crede 3B Pierzynski C Fields LF Thats a lot of POWER! Thats like a Yankee or Red Sox type lineup haha. I know, I know...it wont happen. I wonder what kind of names KW told Buerhle he is going after anyway?
September 1, 200718 yr Eckstein 2B Rowand CF Thome DH Konerko 1B Dye RF Tejada SS Crede 3B Pierzynski C Fields LF Thats a lot of POWER! I doubt Crede hits twenty next year. Pierzynski is bound to decline significantly next year, and his power numbers here haven't been particularly helpful, IMO. Tejada isn't a particularly powerful guy anymore, at least as far as HR go. Dye might hit thirty. I doubt Thome hits thirty. Konerko can go anywhere from 30-40. I'm not pencilling Rowand in for a huge number. I doubt Eckstein even hits three. Fields has got good power, but he doesn't necessarily have to keep it up and he wouldn't be the first player with good power numbers to stop hitting for a variety of reasons. It's just not a lineup that turns me on.
September 1, 200718 yr QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Aug 31, 2007 -> 11:13 PM) I'll play along -- IF we're willing to spend over 20 million for Rodriguez, there are going to be quite a few changes within the rotation and lineup. Cheap alternatives need to be scattered around the diamond to offset Rodriguez' salary. For one, I don't believe we'd sign Eckstein; Richar would be the option. It'd have to be almost necessary for Williams to acquire someone cheap AND talented for LF, because Fields would undoubtedly play 3B. Contreras and Garland would be gone as well. Likely to be replaced by two of Floyd, Egbert, Gonzalez, Broadway. Is a lineup of.. FA/Prospect in LF Owens Dye Fields Rodriguez Richar Konerko Thome Pierzynski and rotation of Buehrle Danks Gonzalez Egbert Vazquez capable of reaching the playoffs? Depending upon the LFer, the progression of Richar and Fields, and whatever we receive from Egbert and Gonzalez, it'd atleast be an interesting ballclub. I doubt they'd reach the playoffs, but attention would certaintly be on the ballclub with Rodriguez. You'd just have to ignore Boras as his agent, or the likelihood New York retains him. Which are fairly important items and just about render the enter scenario unlikely. Well what if traded Garland for a sweet pitching prospect who could step in now? Or maybe KW deals for a stud OF with Garland? If we go with that plan that you have I expect some major prospects being able to step in immediately or very soon
September 1, 200718 yr QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Sep 1, 2007 -> 09:55 AM) I doubt Crede hits twenty next year. Pierzynski is bound to decline significantly next year, and his power numbers here haven't been particularly helpful, IMO. Tejada isn't a particularly powerful guy anymore, at least as far as HR go. Dye might hit thirty. I doubt Thome hits thirty. Konerko can go anywhere from 30-40. I'm not pencilling Rowand in for a huge number. I doubt Eckstein even hits three. Fields has got good power, but he doesn't necessarily have to keep it up and he wouldn't be the first player with good power numbers to stop hitting for a variety of reasons. It's just not a lineup that turns me on. This is already a pretty good power hitting team and putting someone who can hit for power in LF without losing much power elsewhere probably makes it an even better power hitting team. I think that lineup is much better because everyone looks as though they can flirt with a .330 OBP (maybe not Fields) which means we wouldn't be 29th in baseball in OBP anymore. I just don't think that we can trade for Tejada while keeping that lineup in tact without gutting the pitching staff. Even if we completely cleaned out the minors (DLS, Egbert, and Gio), I'm not sure it'd be enough to land Tejada. Even if we could acquire Tejada, I don't think we'll have the budget to keep everyone else, add his large salary, and sign ARow for $12+ million a year on top of that.
September 2, 200718 yr Eckstein is complete garbage. He was decent when he was younger, but he is complete garbage now. I have a stronger arm then him for gods sake. I thought I'd never say this, but I'd gladly take Uribe over Eckstein.
September 2, 200718 yr QUOTE(Jeremy @ Sep 1, 2007 -> 02:04 PM) This is already a pretty good power hitting team and putting someone who can hit for power in LF without losing much power elsewhere probably makes it an even better power hitting team. I think that lineup is much better because everyone looks as though they can flirt with a .330 OBP (maybe not Fields) which means we wouldn't be 29th in baseball in OBP anymore. I just don't think that we can trade for Tejada while keeping that lineup in tact without gutting the pitching staff. Even if we completely cleaned out the minors (DLS, Egbert, and Gio), I'm not sure it'd be enough to land Tejada. Even if we could acquire Tejada, I don't think we'll have the budget to keep everyone else, add his large salary, and sign ARow for $12+ million a year on top of that. Where are we in terms of homeruns this year? Where do we rank?
September 2, 200718 yr I guess I am ready to see a team like this next year: 1. Eckstein, SS 2. Fields, LF 3. Thome, DH 4. Konerko, 1B 5. Dye, RF 6. Pierzynski, C 7. Crede, 3B 8. Rowand, CF 9. Richar, SS BENCH: Jerry Owens & Andy Gonzalez - "dynamic bench duo!"; Lucy - C; Pablo Ozuna - INF; Alex Cintron - INF ROTATION: Buehrle, Vazquez, Garland, Danks, Egbert/Floyd/Gio/Broadway BULLPEN: Jenks, MacDougal, Thornton, Linebrink, Logan, Broadway/Floyd/Sisco/Aardsma ------ I don't want to see a team like that, but I am prepared to.
September 2, 200718 yr oops... I forgot to add Erstad to that team. I guess I can see Ozzie and KW going either way with Cintron or Erstad.
September 2, 200718 yr A small defense for David Eckstein, he is very popular. He puts asses in seats, because there is something to like in a 5'7'' grinder shortstop.
September 2, 200718 yr QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Sep 1, 2007 -> 09:43 PM) Where are we in terms of homeruns this year? Where do we rank? We're 7th in HRs which is quite good. We're a pitiful 27th in SLG but that's largely tied to our horrific batting average.
September 2, 200718 yr QUOTE(Jeremy @ Sep 2, 2007 -> 02:00 AM) We're 7th in HRs which is quite good. We're a pitiful 27th in SLG but that's largely tied to our horrific batting average. Well, no, we have a lot of guys who can hardly double.
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