I recall last year in one of those ridiculously cold games Anderson was actually the only one that hit CC hard all that afternoon, he hit a flyout to deep center but on that day the wind was heavy and it probably would've been a HR any other day.

 

Just saying.

 

Well, additionally, OD 06', I believe Brian got his first hit of the season on a sharply hit line drive to left off of CC...(not positive though if it was before CC got yanked that game though).

Nice to see Fields is the next legendary HOF according to this board, following former greats, Jeremy Reed, Royce Ring, and Brandon McCarthy. Honestly, it's only a year and Josh doesn't need to concentrate on his swing, he needs to concentrate on his defense which is something he doesn't need to be in the majors to learn. He could gain experience in AAA for that. I'm so sick of the whining.

Edited March 25, 200818 yr by nitetrain8601

Nice to see Fields is the next legendary HOF according to this board, following former greats, Jeremy Reed, Royce Ring, and Brandon McCarthy.

He's better than Crede. And thats the ONLY thing that matters.

He's better than Crede. And thats the ONLY thing that matters.

 

 

defensively?

He's better than Crede. And thats the ONLY thing that matters.

 

He has shown better offensive potential than Crede, but over the course of the season, he is nowhere close defensively to Crede and offensively, he hasn't had a full year like Crede. I'm not saying I rather have Crede if all things were equal and I had a choice to pick, I'm saying Crede fits better as of right now and all the people complaining about a move they should've saw a while ago is pretty stupid.

 

Please refer to my edit in my last post.

Nice to see Fields is the next legendary HOF according to this board, following former greats, Jeremy Reed, Royce Ring, and Brandon McCarthy. Honestly, it's only a year and Josh doesn't need to concentrate on his swing, he needs to concentrate on his defense which is something he doesn't need to be in the majors to learn. He could gain experience in AAA for that. I'm so sick of the whining.

 

I am going to call you out on this nite. How many times did we get on Crede when he first came up, and talked about how he can't hit and you wanted to stay with him because of his one tool, which was defense. His ass should of been in AAA with the pathetic bat he had for the first few years of his major league existence. It can't be both ways. And let me remind you that Crede wasn't the slick fielding stud you see today. He was guy who couldnt hit, and couldnt field.

Edited March 25, 200818 yr by southsideirish71

Nice to see Fields is the next legendary HOF according to this board, following former greats, Jeremy Reed, Royce Ring, and Brandon McCarthy. Honestly, it's only a year and Josh doesn't need to concentrate on his swing, he needs to concentrate on his defense which is something he doesn't need to be in the majors to learn. He could gain experience in AAA for that. I'm so sick of the whining.

 

We sure did a great job of developing McCarthy. Defense in the minors is nothing compared to the majors with regards to the condition of the field, lights, etc.

1. C AJ Pierzynski
2. C Toby Hall
3. DH Jim Thome
4. 1B Paul Konerko
5. 2B Juan Uribe
6. SS Orlando Cabrera
7. 3B Joe Crede
8. UT Pablo Ozuna
9. UT Alexei Ramirez
10. OF Nick Swisher
11. OF Brian Anderson
12. OF Jermaine Dye
13. OF Carlos Quentin
14. SP Mark Buehrle
15. SP Javier Vazquez
16. SP John Danks
17. SP Jose Contreras
18. SP Gavin Floyd
19. CL Bobby Jenks
20. SU Scott Linebrink
21. SU Octavio Dotel
22. RP Matt Thornton
23. RP Mike MacDougal
24. RP Boone Logan
25. RP Nick Masset

1. DL Danny Richar
2. DL Jerry Owens

 

 

So, it looks like thats your Opening Day roster.

1. C AJ Pierzynski
2. C Toby Hall
3. DH Jim Thome
4. 1B Paul Konerko
5. 2B Juan Uribe
6. SS Orlando Cabrera
7. 3B Joe Crede
8. UT Pablo Ozuna
9. UT Alexei Ramirez
10. OF Nick Swisher
11. OF Brian Anderson
12. OF Jermaine Dye
13. OF Carlos Quentin
14. SP Mark Buehrle
15. SP Javier Vazquez
16. SP John Danks
17. SP Jose Contreras
18. SP Gavin Floyd
19. CL Bobby Jenks
20. SU Scott Linebrink
21. SU Octavio Dotel
22. RP Matt Thornton
23. RP Mike MacDougal
24. RP Boone Logan
25. RP Nick Masset

1. DL Danny Richar
2. DL Jerry Owens

So, it looks like thats your Opening Day roster.

 

 

No big surprise, although I do like Wasserman but he'll probably be called up sometime in the year.

 

1. CL Bobby Jenks
2. SU Scott Linebrink
3. SU Octavio Dotel
4. RP Matt Thornton
5. RP Mike MacDougal
6. RP Boone Logan
7. RP Nick Masset

1. DL Danny Richar
2. DL Jerry Owens

So, it looks like thats your Opening Day roster.

 

No Wasserman? It looks like the two rookies who performed the best at the MLB level for the Sox last year have been demoted.

No Wasserman? It looks like the two rookies who performed the best at the MLB level for the Sox last year have been demoted.

 

Do you honestly think they'll choose Wasserman?

I am going to call you out on this nite. How many times did we get on Crede when he first came up, and talked about how he can't hit and you wanted to stay with him because of his one tool, which was defense. His ass should of been in AAA with the pathetic bat he had for the first few years of his major league existence. It can't be both ways. And let me remind you that Crede wasn't the slick fielding stud you see today. He was guy who couldnt hit, and couldnt field.

 

Well I wasn't on this board until the very end of the Jerry Manuel era, so I don't know what exactly you would be talking about in regards to me defending Crede back then. And also, who was a suitable 3B on this team that was better than him? I can't remember any. Also, Crede accomplished almost everything you can in the minors. If he stunk in the majors, he stunk in the majors, period. Fields hasn't. And again, I'm not saying Crede would be a better overall option if all things were equal. I'm saying right now, he makes the most sense.

 

The most important reason for the Sox to keep Crede at 3B for the time being besides trade value is because this pitching staff heavily relies on its fielders. No one outside of Vazquez is going to strike out a lot of guys. This is why I would advocate for Anderson or Quentin in the OF over Owens as well since Owens doesn't bring anything that special with the wood.

 

We sure did a great job of developing McCarthy. Defense in the minors is nothing compared to the majors with regards to the condition of the field, lights, etc.

 

I haven't seen McCarthy done anything in the majors minus two months of work. Fields needs to work on footwork and technique before he even sniffs "lighting or field" which is not a percentage different in the majors. In fact, it would probably be easier to field in the minors because of the dimmer lights. Any way you put it, he needs defensive work and he could gain that in the minors while Crede is here for his last year.

Well, additionally, OD 06', I believe Brian got his first hit of the season on a sharply hit line drive to left off of CC...(not positive though if it was before CC got yanked that game though).

 

He was awesome that day. We all forgot Rowand for a brief moment and thought BA was the real deal. Then the rest of the season happened.

I may be mistaken, but wouldn't it help Fields defensive ability a bit to have to do so under less than optimal fielding conditions?

 

Isn't this why quarterbacks practice throwing into small targets? Why hitters will often write numbers on tennis balls and put them in a pitching machine to improve their vision? Why golfers will try to putt the ball through a very narrow corridor?

 

What good is fielding in optimal conditions going to do to help Fields improve his fielding?

No Wasserman? It looks like the two rookies who performed the best at the MLB level for the Sox last year have been demoted.

 

Actually, being left off of this trainwreck of a roster might be a promotion in some twisted way.

BTW,

Aaron Rowand just got drilled by a pitch, was laying face down on the ground, and was removed from the game...

 

Jeesh, these Giants may have no choice but to give us something decent for Crede...

I can't believe this team kept Konerko and Dye on the roster. They ground into too many dp's

 

Fields needs more seasoning at 3B defensively and to cut down on hs strike outs. KW and Ozzie once said that the bigs were no place to learn the game. If that still holds true in our quest for another pennant then sending him down was the right thing to do. He is not better then Joe Crede and it is really ridiculous to claim that a player with less than a full year in the bigs is better tan a gold glove caliber player with a ilver slugger award. Now if you said he has the potential I would agree.

Edited March 25, 200818 yr by elrockinMT

Actually, being left off of this trainwreck of a roster might be a promotion in some twisted way.

 

Or, you know, the team could do well.

I may be mistaken, but wouldn't it help Fields defensive ability a bit to have to do so under less than optimal fielding conditions?

 

Isn't this why quarterbacks practice throwing into small targets? Why hitters will often write numbers on tennis balls and put them in a pitching machine to improve their vision? Why golfers will try to putt the ball through a very narrow corridor?

 

What good is fielding in optimal conditions going to do to help Fields improve his fielding?

 

Fields is fine on tough plays...it's the routine plays that he struggles with. This is more of a lack of focus with him. This isn't like Ryan Braun where they wanted him to get repetitions in regards to throwing from 3rd to 1st without hitting someone behind the 1b dugout. I honestly don't worry about Fields defense, it's not nearly as bad as some Crede fans make it out to be. I'm more concerned that he won't get a lot of practice against 93 mph fastballs and up in the minors.

Fields is fine on tough plays...it's the routine plays that he struggles with. This is more of a lack of focus with him. This isn't like Ryan Braun where they wanted him to get repetitions in regards to throwing from 3rd to 1st without hitting someone behind the 1b dugout. I honestly don't worry about Fields defense, it's not nearly as bad as some Crede fans make it out to be. I'm more concerned that he won't get a lot of practice against 93 mph fastballs and up in the minors.

 

Well, than having less than ideal fielding conditions should do nothing but help him focus and not take a "routine" play for granted.

hate to see what it's going to be like when BA gets shipped off as well.

Well, than having less than ideal fielding conditions should do nothing but help him focus and not take a "routine" play for granted.

 

or he goes down there, and people get even more down on his defense cause he makes more errors than he might on a good field. With all the holes on this team, 3rd base defense isn't even in the top 15.

Edited March 25, 200818 yr by fathom

or he goes down there, and people get even more down on his defense cause he makes more errors than he might on a good field. With all the holes on this team, 3rd base defense isn't even in the top 15.

 

I think you're exaggerating the conditions a bit, fathom. I know you know the International League fairly well, but they're not exactly playing on municipal softball fields out there....come on now.

I don't like seeing Fields going to AAA and not developing at the MLB level any more than the next guy but if this team is losing games it won't be because they don't have enough power hitters.

I don't like seeing Fields going to AAA and not developing at the MLB level any more than the next guy but if this team is losing games it won't be because they don't have enough power hitters.

 

Hate to sound like a broken record, but not having enough quality hitters against LHP could be a reason we lose.