I know people want reform. Duh. We've all said that. But where the line is... is the public "OPTION", which in reality, isn't an "OPTION" at all over time. That's where the polls turn pretty dramatically, and that has been and continues to be my point. That's why the town halls and all of that happened. My point is no more or no less.

 

And BS, seriously, I don't watch Fox News. I think I've had it on a total of about two hours in the last two years. Maybe I should start.

You are under the assumption that everyone knows/thinks this.

Well, the public option is what we are talking about. When polled people say they want the public option.

 

Now say you are worried about the slippery slope to single-payer.

 

The law as is cannot allow that to happen without a complete re-drafting. So that fight'll come when it comes. So, it's likely that we make this a medicare type system that people are happy with, and that's that.

You are under the assumption that everyone knows/thinks this.

"Iiffff Youuu (youuuu) likeee (likkeeee) yoouurrr (youuur) current (current) plannnnn (plannnn) youuuu (youuu) can (can) keeeeeep (keeep) ittt (ittt)." Please. HB3200 totally dismisses that - TECHNICALLY that's correct but everyone gets pushed over to the "public option" eventually and that is what pisses people off. And that's exactly what's going to get "reconciled".

 

Again, and again, and again, the majority of people do not want GOVERNMENT providing the country health care. Reform? Hell yes. Government takeover? Hell no.

 

 

 

the polls don't turn pretty dramatically, the public option is more popular than the president.

the polls don't turn pretty dramatically, the public option is more popular than the president.

Wow, really?

 

(goose stepping)...

 

The government needs to do everything for me.

 

/official drone

 

Kap, no matter how much you want it to be untrue, a majority of Americans and health professionals want the public option.

"Iiffff Youuu (youuuu) likeee (likkeeee) yoouurrr (youuur) current (current) plannnnn (plannnn) youuuu (youuu) can (can) keeeeeep (keeep) ittt (ittt)." Please. HB3200 totally dismisses that - TECHNICALLY that's correct but everyone gets pushed over to the "public option" eventually and that is what pisses people off. And that's exactly what's going to get "reconciled".

 

Again, and again, and again, the majority of people do not want GOVERNMENT providing the country health care. Reform? Hell yes. Government takeover? Hell no.

No, HB3200, as I recall it quoted in here and elsewhere, says that if you DO NOT HAVE private coverage, you either have to buy into the public plan, or pay a penalty. Correct?

 

Wow, really?

 

(goose stepping)...

 

The government needs to do everything for me.

 

/official drone

Why do we bother having a discussion?

 

Wow, really?

 

(goose stepping)...

 

The government needs to do everything for me.

 

/official drone

 

yep.

"Iiffff Youuu (youuuu) likeee (likkeeee) yoouurrr (youuur) current (current) plannnnn (plannnn) youuuu (youuu) can (can) keeeeeep (keeep) ittt (ittt)." Please. HB3200 totally dismisses that - TECHNICALLY that's correct but everyone gets pushed over to the "public option" eventually and that is what pisses people off. And that's exactly what's going to get "reconciled".

 

Again, and again, and again, the majority of people do not want GOVERNMENT providing the country health care. Reform? Hell yes. Government takeover? Hell no.

Again. You assume that the slippery slope argument that you just laid out is not only accepted as incontrovertible fact by everyone, but is automatically in the back of their minds whenever the subject is brought up to them. You're somehow, kind of bizarrely actually, projecting your view onto everyone else. It doesn't work like that, when people look at a poll about a public option maybe 35% of people, tops, actually see "government healtchare, yes or no" and most of those people are the ones who would vote "no" to begin with.

You guys live in a paralell universe or something. The town halls were all people that were paid, planted, and "organized" BY INSURANCE LOBBYISTS just like Obama said they would, right? It couldn't be that people don't want government run health care. It just couldn't be.

 

Angry people and seniors go to town hall meetings. They aren't always indicative of anything, frankly. Poll after poll about public options have come out showing strong support for a public option.

 

NYT/CBS poll - Would you favor or oppose the government offering a government-administered health insurance plan similar to Medicare that would compete with private health care plans?

Yes - 65, No - 26

WashPo/ABC poll - Would you support or oppose having the government create a new health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans?

Yes - 55, No - 42

Economist/YouGov poll - Do you favor or oppose...having a 'public option' which would allow individuals to purchase health care insurance coverage from the government?"

Yes - 47 No - 32

Kaiser Family Foundation poll - Is now the right time to pass health care reform?

Yes - 57, No - 39

 

All polls from September.

No, HB3200, as I recall it quoted in here and elsewhere, says that if you DO NOT HAVE private coverage, you either have to buy into the public plan, or pay a penalty. Correct?

Ok. and what effect do you think that is going to have? I have to get the public option or I have to pay a penalty to pay for the public option anyway. Gees.

 

"Iiffff Youuu (youuuu) likeee (likkeeee) yoouurrr (youuur) current (current) plannnnn (plannnn) youuuu (youuu) can (can) keeeeeep (keeep) ittt (ittt)." Please. HB3200 totally dismisses that - TECHNICALLY that's correct but everyone gets pushed over to the "public option" eventually and that is what pisses people off. And that's exactly what's going to get "reconciled".

 

Again, and again, and again, the majority of people do not want GOVERNMENT providing the country health care. Reform? Hell yes. Government takeover? Hell no.

 

No, they don't, unless you're still in the "it'll bankrupt every private insurer" fantasy land.

Ok. and what effect do you think that is going to have? I have to get the public option or I have to pay a penalty to pay for the public option anyway. Gees.

 

Or, the third option you've completely left off, you buy a private insurance plan and pay no penalty.

No, they don't, unless you're still in the "it'll bankrupt every private insurer" fantasy land.

I am. Because it will. Oh wait, the government is going to subsidize everything - aka, we'll give you money if you do what we say. And that's still taking over private industry.

 

I am. Because it will. Oh wait, the government is going to subsidize everything - aka, we'll give you money if you do what we say. And that's still taking over private industry.

 

Why doesn't that happen in every country with far more government involvement in health care/ insurance than what's being proposed here? Why doesn't reality match conservative ideology?

I am. Because it will. Oh wait, the government is going to subsidize everything - aka, we'll give you money if you do what we say. And that's still taking over private industry.

 

Or insurance companies could learn to adapt.

 

That's impossible. Any sector that the government is in has zero private or more-successful competitors. Except for all those that do.

Wow this is like the 18th trip around the circle.

That's impossible. Any sector that the government is in has zero private or more-successful competitors. Except for all those that do.

After all UPS and FedEx, they're government run too, right?

your right. We should let all companies compete against state lines (to insure no regulation) and mandate everyone buy insurance (as every bill has).

 

That way we are protecting business! America's business is business!

 

 

Wow this is like the 18th trip around the circle.

Should I post my NSS Plan^tm again?

 

This thread is starting to feel like a Mobius strip.

Then close it. It's obvious there's nothing left to discuss.

 

I know this is the HuffPo of the right, but:

 

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=33740

 

They're still trying to ram this down our throat, according to this.