It was only a matter of time

[bmags]

Wow. FOX NEWS is now mainstream. I like the new bmags.

 

It is mainstream. It may not be news, but this isn't Al-Jazeera English or anything. (which is surprisingly not radical, they tame down the English version.)

 

Apparently it is abhorrent to claim that radical, conspiracist, hate speech on a network watched by millions could lead to bad things. Even though there are many cases in history where it has.

 

And, even more strangely, is a tendency of kap to defend, join, and mold himself into being one of the people I'm talking about. He posts that the conspiracy theories are stupid, and crazy, but trips over himself to act like any criticism of them, is directed at him, and if so, I guess that means Kap is exactly the person I'm talking about.

 

If that professor from Colorado calling 9/11 victims little eichmanns was given legitimacy in a movement and had a lot of followers (not comparing him to Beck), I'd think you'd call it concerning. BUt apparently incredibly infused, hateful, bats*** crazy language used by this current set of crazy people getting far too much press is not a concern.

 

In this thread, I never called for Beck to be put in prison, though that's responses they would argue against that very point no one ever made, I didn't even call for him to be taken off the air, (though, again, the same), and I think it's well within reason for me to criticize and caution against conspiracist, inciteful speech, because it can, and has, led to violence.

 

But, continue arguing that you guys hate you can't criticize the president without being called racist. It never gets old, and your victim hood still has a new level to aspire to.

[mr_genius]

It is mainstream. It may not be news, but this isn't Al-Jazeera English or anything. (which is surprisingly not radical, they tame down the English version.)

 

Apparently it is abhorrent to claim that radical, conspiracist, hate speech on a network watched by millions could lead to bad things. Even though there are many cases in history where it has.

 

And, even more strangely, is a tendency of kap to defend, join, and mold himself into being one of the people I'm talking about. He posts that the conspiracy theories are stupid, and crazy, but trips over himself to act like any criticism of them, is directed at him, and if so, I guess that means Kap is exactly the person I'm talking about.

 

If that professor from Colorado calling 9/11 victims little eichmanns was given legitimacy in a movement and had a lot of followers (not comparing him to Beck), I'd think you'd call it concerning. BUt apparently incredibly infused, hateful, bats*** crazy language used by this current set of crazy people getting far too much press is not a concern.

 

In this thread, I never called for Beck to be put in prison, though that's responses they would argue against that very point no one ever made, I didn't even call for him to be taken off the air, (though, again, the same), and I think it's well within reason for me to criticize and caution against conspiracist, inciteful speech, because it can, and has, led to violence.

 

that is a very Glenn Beck like rant.

[kapkomet]

It is mainstream. It may not be news, but this isn't Al-Jazeera English or anything. (which is surprisingly not radical, they tame down the English version.)

 

Apparently it is abhorrent to claim that radical, conspiracist, hate speech on a network watched by millions could lead to bad things. Even though there are many cases in history where it has.

 

And, even more strangely, is a tendency of kap to defend, join, and mold himself into being one of the people I'm talking about. He posts that the conspiracy theories are stupid, and crazy, but trips over himself to act like any criticism of them, is directed at him, and if so, I guess that means Kap is exactly the person I'm talking about.

 

If that professor from Colorado calling 9/11 victims little eichmanns was given legitimacy in a movement and had a lot of followers (not comparing him to Beck), I'd think you'd call it concerning. BUt apparently incredibly infused, hateful, bats*** crazy language used by this current set of crazy people getting far too much press is not a concern.

 

In this thread, I never called for Beck to be put in prison, though that's responses they would argue against that very point no one ever made, I didn't even call for him to be taken off the air, (though, again, the same), and I think it's well within reason for me to criticize and caution against conspiracist, inciteful speech, because it can, and has, led to violence.

 

But, continue arguing that you guys hate you can't criticize the president without being called racist. It never gets old, and your victim hood still has a new level to aspire to.

LMAO. You can't stand to be challenged on anything, can you?

 

I think we need to bring you back to the states so you can replace Ed Schultz.

 

"f*** Conservatives", right?

 

But then again, I'm the looney f***ed up one here that screams "conspiracy" every other breath.

[bmags]

you are the ones lumping conservatives with crazy people, not me. I've never indicated that it was you that I'm talking about, it is you that continues to think I'm talking about you. And if the shoe fits, then fine.

[kapkomet]

you are the ones lumping conservatives with crazy people, not me. I've never indicated that it was you that I'm talking about, it is you that continues to think I'm talking about you. And if the shoe fits, then fine.

WTF? You're the one that posted that. I have never said that. You correlated Glenn Beck with the presidential death threats and I think you're nuts. But then you call me out and say that you might be talking about me? What the hell are you talking about that I can't remember?

 

[Texsox]

If the point is that conspiracy buffs seem a bit off plumb, I agree.

If the point is also that all the hate talk is bad for us and leads to violence, I agree.

[bmags]

WTF? You're the one that posted that. I have never said that. You correlated Glenn Beck with the presidential death threats and I think you're nuts. But then you call me out and say that you might be talking about me? What the hell are you talking about that I can't remember?

 

No Kap, not really. Everytime someone has said that the RW fringe has been capable of violence and the conspiracy talks getting unchallenged and widely distributed is a bad thing, you took it personally and acted as if we were talking about you.

 

It's not that I'm unused to you missing the point of an argument this much, you always do this no matter what the topic. You misconstrue what is said and blow it out of proportion so you can easily dismiss it.

 

But yes, I'd imagine hate threats to president would be lower if it wasn't seriously considered that our president wasn't a citizen, is now responsible for Ft. Hood b/c he's hell bent on protecting muslims and not whites, is racist and is muslim.

 

Also, since we missed them, the Michigan Militia is growing in members again.

 

 

 

[kapkomet]

No Kap, not really. Everytime someone has said that the RW fringe has been capable of violence and the conspiracy talks getting unchallenged and widely distributed is a bad thing, you took it personally and acted as if we were talking about you.

 

It's not that I'm unused to you missing the point of an argument this much, you always do this no matter what the topic. You misconstrue what is said and blow it out of proportion so you can easily dismiss it.

 

But yes, I'd imagine hate threats to president would be lower if it wasn't seriously considered that our president wasn't a citizen, is now responsible for Ft. Hood b/c he's hell bent on protecting muslims and not whites, is racist and is muslim.

 

Also, since we missed them, the Michigan Militia is growing in members again.

Yea, I do outright dismiss these lunatic s***bags because the numbers of them are so small they aren't worth talking about. Yet, you're the one that lumps them all into the "conservative base", which is why I point out your fallacies and extreme generalizations.

[Texsox]

I thnk the problem we have is also rooted in a feeling among the "out party faithfuls" who want to see the President (Bush or now Obama) fail so they can say I told you so, etc. Amazing to me in this is that they desire this even if it makes their own lot in life worse. And we could dismiss as the lunatic fringe in both parties, but I believe there are enough to make it more than just the fringe. We have turned politics into a high stakes battle of coke v. pepsi, mac v. pc, or Bears v. Packers.

[kapkomet]

When Rush Limbaugh says "I hope Obama fails"... I completely understand what his point is. His policies have the potential to take this country down a path from which we cannot recover. So, in that sense, I agree. Then, people like bmags come along and will now say that I'm a lunatic because I want Obama to fail. Hell, I might even be a "racist" and have concocted some death threat against our President. The insinuations are junk, baseless, and pathetic. People who watch Glenn Beck must be idiots (pardon the pun) - yes, those baseless opinions that go against socialistic policies... how dare people go against George W. Bush. Oops, I mean, Barack Hussein Obama. Yes, Tex, it's interchangable, and it's all junk.

 

[bmags]

Yea, I do outright dismiss these lunatic s***bags because the numbers of them are so small they aren't worth talking about. Yet, you're the one that lumps them all into the "conservative base", which is why I point out your fallacies and extreme generalizations.

 

No, I don't. You take what I say, and act like I'm talking about all conservatives. I'm not. I didn't make an extreme generalization in this thread. I didn't even make lie. granted, I thought the guy was murdered, but the point the entire time was that the s*** that Bachmann/Beck/Dobbs/Malkin etc. in terms of conspiracies and inciteful language have come with consequences in the past.

 

But apparently that is WHACKO and I'm saying that all conservatives are racists that want to kill Obama. Just once Kap, I'd like you to meet someone who argues exactly like you. It would be a miracle if the world didn't collapse into itself.

[kapkomet]

And uhhh George Tiller, one specific case.

 

I don't take anything I said in this thread. This doesn't change that I think Beck, et al are being incredibly irresponsible for money, and the ridiculous # of death threats needing to be checked out by the President are one example.

 

There's the first correlation or insinuation.

 

I see it was natural and encouraged to destroy our dixie chicks cds after saying the inflammatory "we aren't proud of our president" statement.

 

But criticizing someone for perpetrating mass conspiracy theories on a mainstream news network to an audience of milliions and contributing to a high charged atmospher, that's just crazy bulls***! Words don't matter, they're just blowing off steam.

 

(unless they're muslims)

There you go again. You want to act like you're not insinuating Glenn Beck is adding to the death threats, but it's pretty damn veiled.

 

It is mainstream. It may not be news, but this isn't Al-Jazeera English or anything. (which is surprisingly not radical, they tame down the English version.)

 

Apparently it is abhorrent to claim that radical, conspiracist, hate speech on a network watched by millions could lead to bad things. Even though there are many cases in history where it has.

 

And, even more strangely, is a tendency of kap to defend, join, and mold himself into being one of the people I'm talking about. He posts that the conspiracy theories are stupid, and crazy, but trips over himself to act like any criticism of them, is directed at him, and if so, I guess that means Kap is exactly the person I'm talking about.

 

If that professor from Colorado calling 9/11 victims little eichmanns was given legitimacy in a movement and had a lot of followers (not comparing him to Beck), I'd think you'd call it concerning. BUt apparently incredibly infused, hateful, bats*** crazy language used by this current set of crazy people getting far too much press is not a concern.

 

In this thread, I never called for Beck to be put in prison, though that's responses they would argue against that very point no one ever made, I didn't even call for him to be taken off the air, (though, again, the same), and I think it's well within reason for me to criticize and caution against conspiracist, inciteful speech, because it can, and has, led to violence.

 

But, continue arguing that you guys hate you can't criticize the president without being called racist. It never gets old, and your victim hood still has a new level to aspire to.

It is mainstream, huh, but you're not throwing conservatives together in one lump? Ok. Make up your mind. Then you put me in the "mainstream" by your circular logic.

 

Then in your last post you say "no I'm not". BS.

[Texsox]

When Rush Limbaugh says "I hope Obama fails"... I completely understand what his point is. His policies have the potential to take this country down a path from which we cannot recover. So, in that sense, I agree. Then, people like bmags come along and will now say that I'm a lunatic because I want Obama to fail. Hell, I might even be a "racist" and have concocted some death threat against our President. The insinuations are junk, baseless, and pathetic. People who watch Glenn Beck must be idiots (pardon the pun) - yes, those baseless opinions that go against socialistic policies... how dare people go against George W. Bush. Oops, I mean, Barack Hussein Obama. Yes, Tex, it's interchangable, and it's all junk.

 

I also understand his point *and* I especially understand why he carefully chooses those words in which to make his point. He doesn't say, I hope this health care plan fails. He doesn't say, I hope this new policy fails. He says I hope Obama fails. We all know he is wise enough to understand the effects and affects of his words.

 

I believe I make the distinction between having an initiative fail to get started, like health care, versus failing once it is implemented. I understand the fail to be approved, I do not understand the broader picture failing that some take delight in. Such as bad economic news, increases in deaths in Iraq or Afghanistan, Presidential approval ratings dropping, etc. The people that point to stuff like a rising unemployment rate, bankruptcies, etc with almost glee that I don't get. If President George William W. Obama's approval rate falls, it generally is because something bad is happening in the country. Yet many cheer, and it goes beyond the lunatic fringe.

 

And please, I am not speaking specific to anyone in this thread, just pointing out something that has bothered me for more than just the last two Presidents. The blind eye towards one party and the apologistic attitude towards the other is not, IMHO, what the 1st Amendment was meant to protect.

[mr_genius]

I thnk the problem we have is also rooted in a feeling among the "out party faithfuls" who want to see the President (Bush or now Obama) fail so they can say I told you so, etc. Amazing to me in this is that they desire this even if it makes their own lot in life worse.

 

 

lol so true

[bmags]

There's the first correlation or insinuation.

 

 

There you go again. You want to act like you're not insinuating Glenn Beck is adding to the death threats, but it's pretty damn veiled.

 

 

It is mainstream, huh, but you're not throwing conservatives together in one lump? Ok. Make up your mind. Then you put me in the "mainstream" by your circular logic.

 

Then in your last post you say "no I'm not". BS.

 

Fox is a mainstream news network, it is the highest rated cable news network, yes, it is mainstream. That's what is mainstream. That has nothing to do with whether or not the people I'm talking about is mainstream. That's the entire point, kap, and not that hard to figure out from the reading, these fringe ideas are getting mainstream airplay. Is that plain enough for you. I'm reading it over to see if you can misconstrue this, but that seems basic enough. FRINGE IDEAS are getting MAINSTREAM AIRPLAY.

 

And yes, I do think Glenn Beck/Michelle Bachmann/Orly Taits/The churches praying for Obama's death, yes I think all of these are adding to the death threats. I don't think the death threats just spontaneously jumped because it was an odd year.

[kapkomet]

Fox is a mainstream news network, it is the highest rated cable news network, yes, it is mainstream. That's what is mainstream. That has nothing to do with whether or not the people I'm talking about is mainstream. That's the entire point, kap, and not that hard to figure out from the reading, these fringe ideas are getting mainstream airplay. Is that plain enough for you. I'm reading it over to see if you can misconstrue this, but that seems basic enough. FRINGE IDEAS are getting MAINSTREAM AIRPLAY.

 

And yes, I do think Glenn Beck/Michelle Bachmann/Orly Taits/The churches praying for Obama's death, yes I think all of these are adding to the death threats. I don't think the death threats just spontaneously jumped because it was an odd year.

Really? "Fringe Ideas"? YOU are the one making the correlations and insinuations. YOU. Got that? There's some other liberal media outlets that are NOT mainstream that are suggesting that Glenn Beck/Michelle Bachmann (I dismiss the other two because they ARE fringe idiots) are driving up thoughts that are against the policies that this president (which, by the way, are the furthest left since at least Carter, and I'll argue EVER in this country - but I know you liberals can't see it that way because you've waited this utopia since FDR started the policies) is trying to promote, but that does necessarily not lead to the fact that "death threats" are up against this President. Unless YOU think that personally, which obviously YOU do since you keep bringing it up in this thread. You're not quoting anyone, anything - YOU keep making the correlations. And I dismiss that as a notion that's naive at best, and flat out wrong at worst.

 

I can name you several other reasons why "threats" can/would be up. And it also can be what counts are being reported. Perhaps. But that wouldn't make the story YOU keep suggesting.

 

The point of the thread here is that the insinuations made against Beck/Baughmann in this very thread were flat out wrong. And I think that it's a good leap to sit there and say that they are the main reasons for a perceived rise in "threats" against the President.

[bmags]

Jesus christ, you did? Can you name what fringe ideas I'm talking about? Can you ever figure out anything without them walking you through it, hand in hand, cow-says-moo type s***? Remarkable.

 

Let's look at this "takeover" of healthcare, that is more leftwing than a single payer system for all citizens over 65 and all children. A public option that likely won't make the cut, which is limited to about 1-3 million people. 10 million at best. But it's not likely to get through. On the other hand, they are getting millions and millions of new customers. What a takeover. This is almost as leftist as when the government took over the schools system. This is almost as leftist as when the government started taking 10% of peoples paychecks to save until they were 65. This is almost as leftist using public funds to give to people out of work. This is way more leftist than giving people below the poverty line a monthly check for food and living.

 

I really don't know if the healthcare companies can survive taking on millions of new customers. God knows the banks didn't when the government ushered bunches of money into them.

 

My god, this is exactly what Eugene Debbs would've done. How will the country recover from this leftist takeover. I'm so mad I should threaten to kill the president.

[kapkomet]

Jesus christ, you did? Can you name what fringe ideas I'm talking about? Can you ever figure out anything without them walking you through it, hand in hand, cow-says-moo type s***? Remarkable.

 

Let's look at this "takeover" of healthcare, that is more leftwing than a single payer system for all citizens over 65 and all children. A public option that likely won't make the cut, which is limited to about 1-3 million people. 10 million at best. But it's not likely to get through. On the other hand, they are getting millions and millions of new customers. What a takeover. This is almost as leftist as when the government took over the schools system. This is almost as leftist as when the government started taking 10% of peoples paychecks to save until they were 65. This is almost as leftist using public funds to give to people out of work. This is way more leftist than giving people below the poverty line a monthly check for food and living.

 

I really don't know if the healthcare companies can survive taking on millions of new customers. God knows the banks didn't when the government ushered bunches of money into them.

 

My god, this is exactly what Eugene Debbs would've done. How will the country recover from this leftist takeover. I'm so mad I should threaten to kill the president.

 

Nice rant. There's a big difference between disagreeing with policies and people themselves and then equating those same people with brainwashing people so that these very same brainwashed people "threaten the President", which was your point that you kept trying to insinuate.

 

 

[EvilMonkey]

I really don't know if the healthcare companies can survive taking on millions of new customers. God knows the banks didn't when the government ushered bunches of money into them.

When those 'millions of new customers' use of 50x in benefits vs the price capped premiums they will have to pay, then you will have to wonder how they will survive. For all your demonization of insurance, their profit margins were lower than several other major industries, much lower. But I guess 'profits' is a dirty word to liberals.