FlaSoxxJim Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 05:28 PM) FWIW, the gay pride rainbow usually has one less color than the others. So which nationality refuses to admit it has gays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Eh let it stay. Scalia is an idiot, but it wouldnt be the first time he was completely ridiculous. I would say that a cross would be one of the most insulting symbols to put up to honor a Jewish person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share Posted October 8, 2009 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 04:36 PM) Eh let it stay. Scalia is an idiot, but it wouldnt be the first time he was completely ridiculous. I would say that a cross would be one of the most insulting symbols to put up to honor a Jewish person. Really? I would think any Muslim symbol would trump it. After all Jews and Christians share the Old Testament. I would believe, if you are going to make a mistake, a cross would be the least offensive of the world's religions. And it is even an easier choice in reverse. A Star of David would be perfectly fine for any Christian, it reflects our common history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 (edited) Well Christianity is basically the repudiation of Judaism in that the entire Jewish faith is based on the covenant between god and Abraham and the promise of the messiah. The symbol of the cross (would imo) could be considered as breaking the following commandments: false idols, graven images and have no gods before me. And I said "one of the most insulting", Im sure that many Jewish people would be more insulted by perhaps a Muslim moon or a Swastika. And less offensive would be a religious symbol that had nothing to do with the faith that persecuted the Jews for in excess of a thousand years. Christianity may be the continuation, but for a good part of history Christians went out of there way to kill Jews, even during the Crusades they would some times stop in a Jewish village just to murder and rape them. Edited October 8, 2009 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 That's like saying Christians wouldn't be too offended by the Muslim symbol because its still a Abrahamic religion and they recognize Jesus as a prophet. Jews have been treated like s*** by both of the other Abrahamic religions for centuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share Posted October 8, 2009 I had no idea how many insulted Jews were walking around the US with all our Christian Churches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Just remember folks...the sequel is never as good as the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share Posted October 8, 2009 QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 05:53 PM) Just remember folks...the sequel is never as good as the original. nicely played sir. Remember that when your messiah comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share Posted October 8, 2009 Then if we agree that each religions or countries symbols could be insults to another person's religion or nationality, does that mean we should ban all symbols, or learn a little tolerance and allow them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Its not necessarily an offense for them to exist. Its offensive to think that another religion's symbolism would do a good job of representing theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 I had no idea how many insulted Jews were walking around the US with all our Christian Churches. Thats not at all what Im saying. Those churches in no way represent Jew's. Then if we agree that each religions or countries symbols could be insults to another person's religion or nationality, does that mean we should ban all symbols, or learn a little tolerance and allow them? It was the comment by Scalia that a cross would be an appropriate symbol to represent a Jew, because "Crosses are the most prolific symbol when it comes to death." The comment itself just shows a complete lack of understanding. If you want to create a memorial that represents Jews, Christians, Muslims etc, it seems some what insensitive to pick any of their symbols. Id think that many Christians may find a Muslim moon being erected to represent all of the people who died in 9/11 a tad insensitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 07:06 PM) Its not necessarily an offense for them to exist. Its offensive to think that another religion's symbolism would do a good job of representing theirs. QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 07:21 PM) It was the comment by Scalia that a cross would be an appropriate symbol to represent a Jew, because "Crosses are the most prolific symbol when it comes to death." The comment itself just shows a complete lack of understanding. If you want to create a memorial that represents Jews, Christians, Muslims etc, it seems some what insensitive to pick any of their symbols. You both hit it on the head. That said, my issue is with Scalia's uninformed, condescending, and ignorant opinions. I still think the memorial should be preserved as an artifact that predates federal ownership of the land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 I heard it said recently that if Jesus were killed today, he'd be killed in an electric chair. Just think, instead of those crosses hanging from everyone's neck, and the churches, and everything else, it could be electric chairs. It gives a whole new meaning to symbols, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Part of the reason for the "Cross" symbol is its similarity to the Egyptian "Ankh." Flasoxx, I agree it should stay. Just not for the reasons why Scalia says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 09:42 PM) I heard it said recently that if Jesus were killed today, he'd be killed in an electric chair. Just think, instead of those crosses hanging from everyone's neck, and the churches, and everything else, it could be electric chairs. It gives a whole new meaning to symbols, I guess. What a weird notion for anyone to contemplate. What would Jesus be sentenced for today that would warrant capital punishment according to US laws? Maybe he'd be locked up under the belief he's a raving lunatic with delusions of divinity, but I don't thing that would get him the chair. I get the point — that the alleged instrument of execution for Jesus has become the principal symbol of Christianity. It just seems like a lazy and not particularly nuanced observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 09:49 PM) Part of the reason for the "Cross" symbol is its similarity to the Egyptian "Ankh." Flasoxx, I agree it should stay. Just not for the reasons why Scalia says. Ankhs are wicked cool, Dr. Fate used 'em, so they're totally cool. Doctor Fate could kick Dr. Strange's grey-templed a$$, and all you Marvel losers know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 09:08 PM) What a weird notion for anyone to contemplate. What would Jesus be sentenced for today that would warrant capital punishment according to US laws? Maybe he'd be locked up under the belief he's a raving lunatic with delusions of divinity, but I don't thing that would get him the chair. I get the point — that the alleged instrument of execution for Jesus has become the principal symbol of Christianity. It just seems like a lazy and not particularly nuanced observation. I don't think it was an observation about what laws were being broken, as you mentioned at the end, it was just picking our worst way of passing the death penalty and the worst way of that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 10:17 PM) I don't think it was an observation about what laws were being broken, as you mentioned at the end, it was just picking our worst way of passing the death penalty and the worst way of that time. Well, it could be by lethal injection, so you'd have a cross-shaped table instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 04:45 PM) Really? I would think any Muslim symbol would trump it. After all Jews and Christians share the Old Testament. I would believe, if you are going to make a mistake, a cross would be the least offensive of the world's religions. And it is even an easier choice in reverse. A Star of David would be perfectly fine for any Christian, it reflects our common history. Muslims don't reject the Old Testament. That's why those three are called the "religions of the book." They are descended from Abraham like jews and christians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 9, 2009 -> 11:37 AM) Well, it could be by lethal injection, so you'd have a cross-shaped table instead perhaps it would be a tub to symbolize water boarding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 9, 2009 Author Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (Soxy @ Oct 9, 2009 -> 08:43 AM) Muslims don't reject the Old Testament. That's why those three are called the "religions of the book." They are descended from Abraham like jews and christians. True. My mistake. I was thinking politics in one case and scripture in another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 11:17 PM) I don't think it was an observation about what laws were being broken, as you mentioned at the end, it was just picking our worst way of passing the death penalty and the worst way of that time. The cross didn't become the symbol of Christianity until the religion itself started to get militarized. The fish is the original symbol of Christianity IIRC. BTW: I expect the supreme court to completely sidestep the greater issue and rule that the land swap is an acceptable solution for the issue in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Oct 9, 2009 -> 09:05 PM) The cross didn't become the symbol of Christianity until the religion itself started to get militarized. The fish is the original symbol of Christianity IIRC. Dude, that was a long time ago. . . how old are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 06:01 PM) nicely played sir. Remember that when your messiah comes. When my messiah comes...we are all blinked out of existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 The Colbert Report Mon - Thurs 11:30pm / 10:30c The Word - Symbol-Minded www.colbertnation.com Colbert Report Full Episodes Political Humor Michael Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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