ultra liberal my thumb.

 

Except that they did find the writer of the newsletters.

 

Not to my knowledge, and I read Sullivan pretty regularly and he'd be ecstatic to post that.

 

The problem runs deeper in that Paul somewhat defended the newsletters in 1996 and didn't start his "I know nothing" claim until 2000 or so. When you combine this with a record of opposition to making Martin Luther King Jr. Day a holiday and opposition to the Civil Rights Act, it paints Paul is essentially unaware of the realities of discrimination at best.

Edited January 9, 201214 yr by StrangeSox

lol really guys? THAT's considered offensive on this board? gimme a break.

 

here's one: http://stevebussey.com/wp/2011/12/did-ron-...-being-drafted/

 

about his being "drafted" while hammering Gingrich for deferring.

 

If you read what happened, he did indeed get a draft notice, and went to war. He didn't defer, he took the option that he wanted of the choices given FOR GOING TO WAR.

 

 

here's another one:

 

http://www.thehotjoints.com/2011/12/16/iow...raq-war-deaths/

 

He said Iraqi troops, so he's incorrect, but if he said Iraqi people he would be pretty close from what I have read. I'll give you this one, but I think it was a misstatement more than a lie.

 

 

and the BIGGEST is all that BS about earmarks. I'm sorry you CANNOT claim to be anti-spending if you're tacking on earmarks to a bill you then VOTE AGAINST. Are you kidding me? That's pathetic.

 

That doesn't involve a lie at all, so no. But it was pretty crazy, I agree with you there.

 

and i'll leave you with this gem:

 

 

Already covered above.

 

Most draftees went into the Army. A Presidential panel studying the military manpower issue reported in 1970, “The Navy and Marine Corps have occasionally issued draft calls to meet temporary shortfalls, but the Air Force has never used the draft.”

 

ie: He COULDN'T have been drafted into the Air Force. He was drafted into the Army but SOMEHOW ended up in the Air Force.

 

There is one way Ron Paul could have been “drafted.” Every supervisor I worked for when I first went into the Air Force had received their draft notice from the Army and, without opening it, ran to the nearest Air Force recruiting office and enlisted in order to avoid the draft. Is that what Ron Paul did?

 

Interesting...

 

The entry for Ron Paul at Wikipedia states that he began his military service in the Air Force in 1963 before the Vietnam War and only served on active duty for two years.

In 1965 just as the war was ramping up and President Johnson sent in the first combat troops Ron Paul chose to leave active duty and serve out his time in the Air National Guard, which reduced the possibility of a deployment to Southeast Asia, and finally left the service all together in 1968.

 

He did nothing different than GWB did. He dodged actual combat just like Newt did. He's just doing typical politician spin and trying to make Newt look bad.

 

And NSS, I feel like outright lying and knowingly distorting the truth are the same thing.

ie: He COULDN'T have been drafted into the Air Force. He was drafted into the Army but SOMEHOW ended up in the Air Force.

 

 

 

Interesting...

 

 

 

He did nothing different than GWB did. He dodged actual combat just like Newt did. He's just doing typical politician spin and trying to make Newt look bad.

 

And NSS, I feel like outright lying and knowingly distorting the truth are the same thing.

 

I think that you are being incredibly selective in your choice of what you see. I think you are just dead wrong on this, and I can't change your mind.

 

I really thought electing obama would end fighting the god damn vietnam culture war every presidency but it's clear that until all of them die we have to listen to this bulls***.

I think that you are being incredibly selective in your choice of what you see. I think you are just dead wrong on this, and I can't change your mind.

you haven't tried to... I can be wrong. I just don't think I am in this case...

 

If the Air Force has never had a draft, how did he get into the Air Force??

 

and he DIDN'T go to war, he stayed home and joined the National Guard!

 

show me some shred of evidence to the contrary and I'll roll over and say you're right, and I'm wrong!

I really thought electing obama would end fighting the god damn vietnam culture war every presidency but it's clear that until all of them die we have to listen to this bulls***.

in all honesty - democrats don't care about that stuff. just republicans. They're the ones that speared Kerry and are skewering each other over it.

 

and yeah, when they die it won't matter any more. Give it 10 years or so.

I really thought electing obama would end fighting the god damn vietnam culture war every presidency but it's clear that until all of them die we have to listen to this bulls***.

yup.

Huntsman is the General Wesley Clark of this primary.

 

sure, if Wesley Clark was polling at

 

 

I think that person would be Huntsman.

 

I have the same chance of winning the GOP nomination this year as Huntsman does.

totally agree.

 

it's a shame that the best candidate is unelectable because he's not bat-s*** crazy enough.

 

lol, Huntsman is the most bat-s*** crazy candidate out there.

On the Gingrich ads attacking Romney:

 

Might as well get them out now because Obama has a billion dollars to run them during the general election... i guess.

Edited January 10, 201214 yr by mr_genius

None what so ever.

 

i hope he can keep staying close.

you haven't tried to... I can be wrong. I just don't think I am in this case...

 

If the Air Force has never had a draft, how did he get into the Air Force??

 

and he DIDN'T go to war, he stayed home and joined the National Guard!

 

show me some shred of evidence to the contrary and I'll roll over and say you're right, and I'm wrong!

 

Are you asking for evidence that he was in the Air Force? I've read that he reached the rank of Captain as a flight surgeon. I'm not sure someone can get away with completely lying about reaching a specific and frankly, quite high, rank.

 

Also, I'm fairly sure you can get drafted into one arm of the military, but voluntarily join another to better suit your abilities (as a doctor) and yes, avoid ground combat.

lol, Huntsman is the most bat-s*** crazy candidate out there.

if by bat s*** crazy you mean intelligent moderate who could actually do good things for america then yes. In that way he IS different from the other candidates (Obama included).

Edited January 10, 201214 yr by Reddy

Huntsman's fiscal policies are boiler-plate conservative market evangelism, it just seems sane compared to everyone else's.

Are you asking for evidence that he was in the Air Force? I've read that he reached the rank of Captain as a flight surgeon. I'm not sure someone can get away with completely lying about reaching a specific and frankly, quite high, rank.

 

Also, I'm fairly sure you can get drafted into one arm of the military, but voluntarily join another to better suit your abilities (as a doctor) and yes, avoid ground combat.

that's my point - he didn't run over to enlist until he was already drafted, and THEN switched on over to the National Guard when the war actually started to heat up. I'm just saying the whole high and mighty act is a little annoying.

 

who cares, Paul is anti-militarism, criticize him over his many crazy positions

that's my point - he didn't run over to enlist until he was already drafted, and THEN switched on over to the National Guard when the war actually started to heat up. I'm just saying the whole high and mighty act is a little annoying.

 

But he actually served in the Air Force, not just the National Guard.

 

The way I see it, Paul might be the only candidate that could pull in some Democrats. Hell, I'd consider myself more of a Democrat than a Republican, and I know quite a few like-minded individuals. As long as Republicans would vote for him, he could give Obama a run for his money.

Paul would be decimated in a national election.

if by bat s*** crazy you mean intelligent moderate who could actually do good things for america then yes. In that way he IS different from the other candidates (Obama included).

 

Huntsman is a clueless high school drop out and his only 'skill' is having super rich parents. I would vote for Obama over Huntsman.

Edited January 10, 201214 yr by mr_genius

Huntsman is a clueless high school drop out and his only 'skill' is having super rich parents.

don't forget that he speaks Mandarin!

don't forget that he speaks Mandarin!

Americans love that. Especially the ones he's courting.

don't forget that he speaks Mandarin!

 

I wish Joe Biden would answer questions speaking Mandarin. But it would be totally fake Mandarin.