Give the dude a break. Some of the best pitchers in baseball are getting lit up all over baseball in the first week. Jake's first start was decent and tonight he just didn't have it. He's fine. He's not a freaking robot. And if the AL is suddenly too much for him how did he dominate at 80% health with a 3-0 1.35 ERA against KC and a Tigers team twice that was fighting for their season last year?

second.

second.

 

BTW, the last time Peavy allowed 7+ runs, he gave up 8 in four innings against AZ back in 2007...He was the best pitcher on the planet that season.

Give the dude a break. Some of the best pitchers in baseball are getting lit up all over baseball in the first week. Jake's first start was decent and tonight he just didn't have it. He's fine. He's not a freaking robot. And if the AL is suddenly too much for him how did he dominate at 80% health with a 3-0 1.35 ERA against KC and a Tigers team twice that was fighting for their season last year?

 

Detroit averaged 4.42 runs in September and October of last year. That's a 717 run pace over 162 games. That is not very good. They actually scored 743 runs last year. That is not horrendous, but still not very good.

 

KC was a bit better in in September and October, averaging 4.87 runs a game. That's a pace to score 790 runs during a 162 game season. Instead, they scored 686 runs, which is really bad.

 

The two teams Peavy has faced this year - Cleveland and Toronto - scored 773 runs and 798 runs respectively last year. Those are two good offenses that Peavy has faced. That, and adjusting to pitching in the AL, will hurt him a bit.

 

I agree that Peavy is fine, but it's completely understandable as to why he shut down Kansas City and Detroit last year, because they were not very proficient offensive teams.

I'm more concerned about his FB velocity being way down than his not being able to locate.

The curse of the knightni wallpaper, nothing extraordinary, should be over by May.

I'm more concerned about his FB velocity being way down than his not being able to locate.

 

I would say that's more due to it being April 12 than anything wrong with him physically.

Toronto comming in, is one of the best offenses in the game so far in this early season. Yes Peavy is learning the AL is a man's league, but he isn't nearly this bad either. Simply was missing his locations on pitches. He'll be fine.

Anyone who thinks his ERA should and will be similar to his Petco ERA is likely wrong. He is in a harder park and league to pitch in. However, he does need to adjust to being in a different setting than he's been in for his career. It may take another start or two, but he ought to be popping a sub-4 ERA for most of the season.

I'm not worried about the getting lit up part, I'm worried about his lack of velocity tonight.

 

Good pitchers can have bad location and movement sometimes, that's no reason for concern.

 

But the fact that he was throwing in the high 80s and topped out at 92-93 at most worries me.

 

Peavy's delivery is one that is incredibly hard to watch and mechanically terrible. However, I think the mechanics is what gives him such good movement on his pitches, because he has such intense whip with his arm that creates movement on the ball. If he wants to pitch past his prime, he's going to have to change something or he's not going to get past age 31 or 32.

 

Whenever you see Jake losing velocity, it might be a big indicator on something being wrong with his arm. He threw with better velocity in his first start against KC last season.

 

I could be completely wrong, but his next start will be very, very important.

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so this Verlander fellow has given up 10 ER in 10 IP... but he blows so whatever.

so this Verlander fellow has given up 10 ER in 10 IP... but he blows so whatever.

 

He is still throwing 95-98MPH last I heard.

 

Like some have said, loss of velocity is a huge red flag and the next couple of starts for Peavy are going to be tense and closely watched i'm sure.

so this Verlander fellow has given up 10 ER in 10 IP... but he blows so whatever.

 

That Verlander fellow still threw 97.

It's too early in the season to draw conclusions about anything with Peavy.

 

I'm sure if he has 2-3 more starts like tonight, we'll have a lot more information to go on as far as him having a "dead/tired" arm that all pitchers go through, especially coming out of ST.

 

If he's still pitching like this in May, then obviously Daniel Hudson will be back in the rotation and Peavy will be on the DL or consulting with Dr. James Andrews. But I'm thinking it's more mechanical and early season rust, rather than something more insidious or nefarious.

BTW, Reading that game thread now (especially early on) makes me disgusted to be on this site with some of you.

so this Verlander fellow has given up 10 ER in 10 IP... but he blows so whatever.

The question isn't performance, it is really more about velocity of the fastball and the flatness of his slider. Maybe he really just didn't have it but if he is sitting in the high 80's to low 90's in his next start, there is a serious cause for concern.

It's too early in the season to draw conclusions about anything with Peavy.

 

I'm sure if he has 2-3 more starts like tonight, we'll have a lot more information to go on as far as him having a "dead/tired" arm that all pitchers go through, especially coming out of ST.

 

If he's still pitching like this in May, then obviously Daniel Hudson will be back in the rotation and Peavy will be on the DL or consulting with Dr. James Andrews. But I'm thinking it's more mechanical and early season rust, rather than something more insidious or nefarious.

 

Lets all hope you are right.

I'm not worried about the getting lit up part, I'm worried about his lack of velocity tonight.

 

Good pitchers can have bad location and movement sometimes, that's no reason for concern.

 

But the fact that he was throwing in the high 80s and topped out at 92-93 at most worries me.

 

Peavy's delivery is one that is incredibly hard to watch and mechanically terrible. However, I think the mechanics is what gives him such good movement on his pitches, because he has such intense whip with his arm that creates movement on the ball. If he wants to pitch past his prime, he's going to have to change something or he's not going to get past age 31 or 32.

 

Whenever you see Jake losing velocity, it might be a big indicator on something being wrong with his arm. He threw with better velocity in his first start against KC last season.

 

I could be completely wrong, but his next start will be very, very important.

AVG     MAX   DATE

93.27   95.7 - 3/31/08

92.88   93.6 - 4/05/08
 

91.72   94.6 - 4/06/09

91.93   94.1 - 4/11/09

91.75   93.8 - 9/19/09

91.64   93.4 - 9/25/09

91.21   93.3 - 10/2/09
 

90.77   93   - 4/7/10

89.93   91.2 - today

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<!--quotec-->I'm not worried about the getting lit up part, I'm worried about his lack of velocity tonight.

 

Good pitchers can have bad location and movement sometimes, that's no reason for concern.

 

But the fact that he was throwing in the high 80s and topped out at 92-93 at most worries me.

 

Peavy's delivery is one that is incredibly hard to watch and mechanically terrible. However, I think the mechanics is what gives him such good movement on his pitches, because he has such intense whip with his arm that creates movement on the ball. If he wants to pitch past his prime, he's going to have to change something or he's not going to get past age 31 or 32.

 

Whenever you see Jake losing velocity, it might be a big indicator on something being wrong with his arm. He threw with better velocity in his first start against KC last season.

 

I could be completely wrong, but his next start will be very, very important.

AVG     MAX   DATE

93.27   95.7 - 3/31/08

92.88   93.6 - 4/05/08
 

91.72   94.6 - 4/06/09

91.93   94.1 - 4/11/09

91.75   93.8 - 9/19/09

91.64   93.4 - 9/25/09

91.21   93.3 - 10/2/09
 

90.77   93   - 4/7/10

89.93   91.2 - today

 

So consistently dropping, what's the reason for that?

 

<!--quoteo(post=2122232:date=Apr 12, 2010 -> 11:00 PM:name=chw42)-->

<!--quotec-->I'm not worried about the getting lit up part, I'm worried about his lack of velocity tonight.

 

Good pitchers can have bad location and movement sometimes, that's no reason for concern.

 

But the fact that he was throwing in the high 80s and topped out at 92-93 at most worries me.

 

Peavy's delivery is one that is incredibly hard to watch and mechanically terrible. However, I think the mechanics is what gives him such good movement on his pitches, because he has such intense whip with his arm that creates movement on the ball. If he wants to pitch past his prime, he's going to have to change something or he's not going to get past age 31 or 32.

 

Whenever you see Jake losing velocity, it might be a big indicator on something being wrong with his arm. He threw with better velocity in his first start against KC last season.

 

I could be completely wrong, but his next start will be very, very important.

AVG     MAX   DATE

93.27   95.7 - 3/31/08

92.88   93.6 - 4/05/08
 

91.72   94.6 - 4/06/09

91.93   94.1 - 4/11/09

91.75   93.8 - 9/19/09

91.64   93.4 - 9/25/09

91.21   93.3 - 10/2/09
 

90.77   93   - 4/7/10

89.93   91.2 - today

 

Nice. Where did you find these numbers?

Nice. Where did you find these numbers?

It's PitchFX data from http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/

It's PitchFX data from http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/

 

This is outstanding. Thank you, sir.

Who's his next start against FWIW?

Who's his next start against FWIW?

Saturday in Cleveland.

<!--quoteo(post=2122232:date=Apr 12, 2010 -> 11:00 PM:name=chw42)-->

<!--quotec-->I'm not worried about the getting lit up part, I'm worried about his lack of velocity tonight.

 

Good pitchers can have bad location and movement sometimes, that's no reason for concern.

 

But the fact that he was throwing in the high 80s and topped out at 92-93 at most worries me.

 

Peavy's delivery is one that is incredibly hard to watch and mechanically terrible. However, I think the mechanics is what gives him such good movement on his pitches, because he has such intense whip with his arm that creates movement on the ball. If he wants to pitch past his prime, he's going to have to change something or he's not going to get past age 31 or 32.

 

Whenever you see Jake losing velocity, it might be a big indicator on something being wrong with his arm. He threw with better velocity in his first start against KC last season.

 

I could be completely wrong, but his next start will be very, very important.

AVG     MAX   DATE

93.27   95.7 - 3/31/08

92.88   93.6 - 4/05/08
 

91.72   94.6 - 4/06/09

91.93   94.1 - 4/11/09

91.75   93.8 - 9/19/09

91.64   93.4 - 9/25/09

91.21   93.3 - 10/2/09
 

90.77   93   - 4/7/10

89.93   91.2 - today

 

Good stuff, he did have about 2 miles better against KC.