Yah and they were punished at the polls for it. What's your point?

 

 

Really? Wow... you're getting good.

Hey kap, not sure what I was talking about earlier, it wasn't about obstructionism but lobbyists.

 

Anyway, how HCR was passed wasn't the "nuclear option".

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/j...LPP_article.pdf

Hey kap, not sure what I was talking about earlier, it wasn't about obstructionism but lobbyists.

 

Anyway, how HCR was passed wasn't the "nuclear option".

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/j...LPP_article.pdf

 

You're right - I think we are both thinking about that as it relates to justices? I was trying to point out the procedural nature of health care passing. It was reconciliation, not the "nuclear option". Got my procedures mixed up.

You're right - I think we are both thinking about that as it relates to justices? I was trying to point out the procedural nature of health care passing. It was reconciliation, not the "nuclear option". Got my procedures mixed up.

 

Exactly the very same way things like COBRA was passed. And the Bush tax cuts in fact.

Exactly the very same way things like COBRA was passed. And the Bush tax cuts in fact.

 

 

So? It's not the way things should be passed... especially the line here. Health care is not COBRA nor tax measures.

I disagree, I think majority rules is exactly the way things should pass.

Non citizens are allowed to join the military, and if killed while serving, are automtically given US citizenship. So I can kindof see where SS is going with that.

I'd rather stay in Mexico if that was the bonus.

So? It's not the way things should be passed... especially the line here. Health care is not COBRA nor tax measures.

 

Actually COBRA IS health care.

Actually COBRA IS health care.

Well technically, it stands for Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act. So technically, it's anything passed through reconciliation as part of the common omnibus spending bill technique that funds the majority of the government every year because that's the only way to get a spending bill through Congress is to lump everyhting together.

 

In common parlance, yes, it is health care, because the original COBRA bill which allowed you to continue to pay for your group health care after leaving your job was passed as part of one of those bills.

Actually COBRA IS health care.

 

Awwww, I guess I'm stupid.

 

Gees. I need to go away again because obviously everyone knows everything about everything.

Kap don't be such a... umm if this was football you'd be that runningback that folds and hits the ground at the first sign of contact right now.

Kap don't be such a... umm if this was football you'd be that runningback that folds and hits the ground at the first sign of contact right now.

Curtis Enis

Is Kap blocking me or is there something unclear about my details there?

The House passed, by an overwhelming margin, a standalone repeal of Don't ask, Don't tell, late last night. The Senate will once again attempt to take up this bill, but as with before, it is subject to the filibuster.

The House passed, by an overwhelming margin, a standalone repeal of Don't ask, Don't tell, late last night. The Senate will once again attempt to take up this bill, but as with before, it is subject to the filibuster.

 

Collins and Snowe are on board. We just need 1 more.

Collins and Snowe are on board. We just need 1 more.

Those 2 voted in favor of the filibuster last time.

 

They're classic "Lucy with the football" candidates.

 

"I'm on board, but I want 2 weeks of debate on the bill."

" 2 weeks of debate and the session ends before there's ever a vote. You're trying to make sure you never actually have to vote on it."

"I want 3 weeks of debate on the bill."

Sounds like they have 61 votes.

Sounds like they have 61 votes.

Wow, this may actually pass? Good, the country needs to move on and the bigots need to get out of the way.

 

 

 

Wow, this may actually pass? Good, the country needs to move on and the bigots need to get out of the way.

Not necessarily. They're running up into the Senate Calendar and there are still many, many options for delay if the minority chooses to use them. If they don't pass some sort of budget resolution before Saturday the government shuts down, and the Republicans hate (republican-inserted) earmarks in the omnibus bill option. After that comes START 3. And if the House passes any changes to the tax cut package, there's another vote required there. Each of those votes is subject to several 30 hour cloture vote delays if they use them.

Who Are The 15 Democrats Who Just Voted AGAINST Don’t Ask Don’t Tell Repeal?

 

You will notice a pattern when seeing which states they represent.

 

*awaits Kaperbolic statement about "Yeah everyone in the South is racist and anti-gay!!1!"*

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They're going to use every trick in the book to keep the Senate from finishing anything. This threat is back.

Republicans will paralyze the Senate floor for 50 hours by forcing clerks to read every single paragraph of the 1,924-page, $1.1 trillion omnibus spending bill.

 

Senate clerks are expected to read the massive bill in rotating shifts around the clock — taking breaks to drink water and pop throat lozenges — to keep legislative business on track, according to a Democratic leadership aide.

 

The bill is so long that it took the Government Printing Office two days to print it.

 

The Senate is currently debating the New START nuclear arms reduction treaty. It is expected to take up the omnibus spending bill on a separate and parallel track later Thursday.

If the Omnibus bill or at least a continuing resolution doesn't pass by Saturday, the government shuts down.

What are the odds the President just signs some kind of executive order to end DADT? The House and Senate supports repeal, and polls seem to show the people do.

What are the odds the President just signs some kind of executive order to end DADT? The House and Senate supports repeal, and polls seem to show the people do.

That's a good question. Its a mattery of internal military policy and military code, so its not necessarily a previously legislated regulation. Its also not a financial line item. Therefore, I believe, it may indeed be eligible for an executive order, which Congress would then need to override.

 

But someone more knowledgeable than me would need to confirm all of this, I am not 100% sure.

 

The policy is "BIGOTED"... stupid thinking.

The policy is "BIGOTED"... stupid thinking.