Beckham and Dunn just baffle me this season.

Dunn baffles me. Beckham, the technique issues are pretty obvious. Dunn looks just blind.

Beckham and Dunn just baffle me this season.

Didn't Beckham add like 15 pounds muscle this off-season, too? He looks anorexic to me when he bats.

Because I still haven't figured out how on Earth WAR is calculated. Maybe I'd respect it more if someone could explain the concept. ERA, to me, at least measures a concrete thing.

 

 

And for good reason, the average fan doesn't want to hear about WAR, wOBA, UZR and all these esoteric stats. It would bog down the broadcast big time and make it unwatchable for most fans.

 

WAR to me is a boring card game that some people actually, foolishly play in Vegas.

To play that game at a table in Vegas is taking your money and ripping it to shreds.

Beckham and Dunn just baffle me this season.

 

I know (actually hope) this is not true but it appears that they are not evening looking to adjust to anything and just assume things will get better

Why was Heilman and his near 7 ERA pitching for Arizona in a one run game?

Beckham and Dunn just baffle me this season.

 

Beckham always turns it around when I finally agree he should be sent down.

Send him down!

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/index.php/misc/war/

 

Wins Above Replacement (WAR) is an attempt by the sabermetric community to summarize a player’s total contributions to their team in one statistic. You should always use more than one metric at a time when evaluating players, but WAR is pretty darn all-inclusive and provides a handy reference point. WAR basically looks at a player and asks the question, “If this player got injured and their team had to replace them with a minor leaguer or someone from their bench, how much value would the team be losing?” This value is expressed in a wins format, so we could say that Player X is worth 6.3 wins to their team while Player Y is only worth 3.5 wins.

 

If you are curious.

 

The statisticians do a lot to make the output of their formulas easy to understand (FIP normalized to ERA, wOBA normalized to OBP, WAR normalized to wins instead of runs). Yet, a lot of people still scratch their heads.

 

 

WAR to me is a boring card game that some people actually, foolishly play in Vegas.

To play that game at a table in Vegas is taking your money and ripping it to shreds.

Say what you will, but these are time-proven statistics created by some of the smartest math people in the world.

WAR to me is a boring card game that some people actually, foolishly play in Vegas.

To play that game at a table in Vegas is taking your money and ripping it to shreds.

 

 

WAR, what is it good for? absolutely nothing!

 

Reminds me of Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker in Rush Hour, haha.

Edited June 26, 201114 yr by caulfield12

Why was Heilman and his near 7 ERA pitching for Arizona in a one run game?

Kirk Gibson was reminiscing about his pinch hit HR in the WS.

Say what you will, but these are time-proven statistics created by some of the smartest math people in the world.

 

I agree the explanation somebody posted was pretty easy to follow.

I just always think of the bad card game when I see the word WAR

Dunn baffles me. Beckham, the technique issues are pretty obvious. Dunn looks just blind.

 

Blind is a very good way to put it. Once he starts his swing (and he starts it very early) it is going exactly on plane with how he started the swing. He might as well be blind as soon as he decides to swing. He's not watching the ball all the way to the plate, the way that good hitters will say they are doing when they are "locked in".

Tigers now breaking it wide open, up 5-2 and still batting. Peralta's career has been resuscitated, he looked he like he headed out of baseball the last couple of seasons in CLE with his offensive struggles combined with lack of range and defensive ability.

Ozzie should get the bullpen up. Humber usually starts to lose his effectiveness around the 90 pitch mark.

Beckham always turns it around when I finally agree he should be sent down.

Send him down!

Couldn't you have said that BEFORE his last AB?

Say what you will, but these are time-proven statistics created by some of the smartest math people in the world.

I give all the credit in the world to these stats...but yeah, I've gotta dispute you a bit there.

 

The B-R guys are very good. The world's best math people are a different level.

I am out of here for some sunday activities.

 

I will read rest of thread later. Should be an interesting thread if we ultimately fail today cause of lack of hitting vs. Livan.

Wow, we dodged a bullet.

There was a hold your breath moment.

Keep the ball down Phil!

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/index.php/misc/war/

 

Wins Above Replacement (WAR) is an attempt by the sabermetric community to summarize a player’s total contributions to their team in one statistic. You should always use more than one metric at a time when evaluating players, but WAR is pretty darn all-inclusive and provides a handy reference point. WAR basically looks at a player and asks the question, “If this player got injured and their team had to replace them with a minor leaguer or someone from their bench, how much value would the team be losing?” This value is expressed in a wins format, so we could say that Player X is worth 6.3 wins to their team while Player Y is only worth 3.5 wins.

 

If you are curious.

 

That whole bit about making sure the numbers are based not on league average but on replacement level, does that mean that a player is going to have a higher number if his replacement is worse? Of two otherwise equal players, one will be rated higher because his replacement is lousier? That seems silly.

Woah.

Ozzie should get the bullpen up. Humber usually starts to lose his effectiveness around the 90 pitch mark.

 

especially with the washington pen, they can not give up a run

Dunn baffles me. Beckham, the technique issues are pretty obvious. Dunn looks just blind.

I don't know why. I thought Becks would actually be able to hit a soft tosser. Lord knows he can't get around on a good heater right now.

Bullpen up?