Just in Veal jersey sales alone, this makes sense

I'm just confused by why the Yankees would just let him go. He will be 23 when the season starts, and probably be assigned to Birmingham. That's an appropriate age, and his numbers have been good. I wonder if he is just a terrible teammate or something? Off the field issues?

 

He is a six year free agent

He is a six year free agent

 

I don't know what that means.

I don't know what that means.

 

In minors for six years = can declare free agency.

 

I thought that was it, but didn't know if DSL counted.

In minors for six years = can declare free agency.

 

I thought that was it, but didn't know if DSL counted.

 

Oh ok, I thought he was trying to say if he can't make the majors in 6 years in the minors, then he is obviously no good.

I just spoke to my White Sox source and she said that Southpaw was the one who helped make this happen.

 

Cannot complain with these signings. Low risk, possible high reward. Insurance for lefties if we trade Thornton.

 

How do you spell reclamation? Donald Veal.

In minors for six years = can declare free agency.

 

I thought that was it, but didn't know if DSL counted.

 

This. Once you serve six full years in the minors, you can declare yourself a free agent.

Find it funny that in 33 posts, no one has made mention of that fact that this is a sign that the Sox will be shopping Thornton.

 

You bring in two lefties on MLCs while already having committed 1 of your 3 lefties in the pen to the rotation for the following season, while either overtly or never mentioning the idea that you may be cutting costs the next season. The absolute easiest place to cut costs at this point is the bullpen. You can trade Danks and/or Floyd, but neither save much money for the production received. You can let Buehrle go (which seems like a semi-certainty at this point, though I think Buehrle and his agent will give the Sox one final offer before he puts ink to paper). Or you can trade the only real high-priced bullpen arm and get what value you can, offering him as a guy who can close in a jiffy but is still the best left handed setup guy in the entire game, even though you're only going to get 60-80 innings out of him.

 

I'd be surprised if Matt Thornton is a member of the White Sox in December. I'd be EXTREMELY surprised if Matt Thornton is a member of the White Sox in January.

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Find it funny that in 33 posts, no one has made mention of that fact that this is a sign that the Sox will be shopping Thornton.

 

You bring in two lefties on MLCs while already having committed 1 of your 3 lefties in the pen to the rotation for the following season, while either overtly or never mentioning the idea that you may be cutting costs the next season. The absolute easiest place to cut costs at this point is the bullpen. You can trade Danks and/or Floyd, but neither save much money for the production received. You can let Buehrle go (which seems like a semi-certainty at this point, though I think Buehrle and his agent will give the Sox one final offer before he puts ink to paper). Or you can trade the only real high-priced bullpen arm and get what value you can, offering him as a guy who can close in a jiffy but is still the best left handed setup guy in the entire game, even though you're only going to get 60-80 innings out of him.

 

I'd be surprised if Matt Thornton is a member of the White Sox in December. I'd be EXTREMELY surprised if Matt Thornton is a member of the White Sox in January.

 

Veal might be a replacement, I don't see Quintana as that.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...ws&c_id=cws

 

Lefties Veal, Quintana added to pitching mix

By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 11/10/11 9:30 PM EST

 

CHICAGO -- Thursday's first offseason moves made by the White Sox wouldn't exactly be considered front-page, breaking news.

 

But agreeing to terms with left-handed pitchers Donnie Veal and Jose Quintana not only could help the team in the future but also in 2012, according to general manager Ken Williams.

 

"He could contribute," said Williams of Veal, speaking Thursday after five local high school players who took part in the White Sox Amateur City Elite program signed their letters of intent during a ceremony at U.S. Cellular Field.

Donnie Veal appeared in 19 games with the Pirates in 2009 for his first big league stint. (John Grieshop/Getty)

 

"It's not out of the realm of possibility that the kid from A ball [Quintana] will potentially compete for a job as well," Williams continued. "We like him that much. Otherwise, we wouldn't put him on the roster."

 

Veal, 27, finished 0-2 with a 4.22 ERA over 32 innings and 19 appearances covering stops at Class A Bradenton, Double-A Altoona, Triple-A Indianapolis and the rookie Gulf Coast League as part of the 2011 Pirates. He did not pitch until May 22 while recovering from Tommy John surgery performed on June 4, 2010.

 

A 19-game stint, during which he posted a 1-0 record with a 7.16 ERA and 16 strikeouts in 16 1/3 innings, in 2009 with the Pirates covers Veal's lone big league experience.

 

"I saw him at the University of Arizona years ago before he went to Pima Community College," said Williams of Veal. "He's got an electric arm. He has had trouble with his delivery, getting his delivery fine-tuned enough to be consistent. But he has stuff that can translate into Major League success and hopefully our guys can rein that in."

 

Over 140 Minor League games, the 6-foot-4, 240-pound Veal has produced a 28-33 record with a 3.86 ERA with the Cubs and the Pirates. Veal originally was taken by the Cubs in the second round of the 2005 First-Year Player Draft.

 

Quintana, 22, spent the entire 2011 season with Class A Tampa in the New York Yankees system, finishing 10-2 with a 2.91 ERA, one save and 88 strikeouts in 30 appearances that included 14 starts. He posted a 6-1 record with a 2.83 ERA in 63 2/3 innings as a starter.

 

"He's a strike thrower," said Williams of Quintana, who has an 18-8 record and 2.76 ERA during five Minor League seasons with the Mets and the Yankees. "He can spin the breaking ball. He's got velocity to both sides of the plate, angle down and we think that ultimately he's going to grow up and be a starter."

 

Even with Chris Sale moving to the starting rotation, the White Sox still have Matt Thornton and Will Ohman to work from the left side in the back end of the bullpen. Veal and possibly even Quintana will compete with Hector Santiago for a possible third left-handed relief spot.

 

With these two moves, the White Sox 40-man roster sits at 34.

 

"We are very happy to have both," Williams said.

I'm just confused by why the Yankees would just let him go. He will be 23 when the season starts, and probably be assigned to Birmingham. That's an appropriate age, and his numbers have been good. I wonder if he is just a terrible teammate or something? Off the field issues?

I was never a Quintana fan, but he was 23 in A ball and absolutely burried by depth. He wouldn't of had a shot in the system and certainly wouldn't of gotten a 40 man roster spot. He could be a nice lefty out of the pen but he needs to prove himself in Double-A and Triple-A.

I was never a Quintana fan, but he was 23 in A ball and absolutely burried by depth. He wouldn't of had a shot in the system and certainly wouldn't of gotten a 40 man roster spot. He could be a nice lefty out of the pen but he needs to prove himself in Double-A and Triple-A.

 

He was 22 at A-ball. He will be 23 this year, and probably start at AA Birmingham. That's pretty age appropriate if you ask me. He could conceivable have a shot at our rotation at age 25 or 26.

He was 22 at A-ball. He will be 23 this year, and probably start at AA Birmingham. That's pretty age appropriate if you ask me. He could conceivable have a shot at our rotation at age 25 or 26.

 

Once you hit AA, you can get the call to Chicago at any time. The Sox will call up pitchers from there.

He was 22 at A-ball. He will be 23 this year, and probably start at AA Birmingham. That's pretty age appropriate if you ask me. He could conceivable have a shot at our rotation at age 25 or 26.

How long is this guy under our control in the minor leagues? (i.e. how many option years does he have remaining?) If he's 2 or more years away from being a regular then we're going to need a couple of option years to be able to hold on to him.

How long is this guy under our control in the minor leagues? (i.e. how many option years does he have remaining?) If he's 2 or more years away from being a regular then we're going to need a couple of option years to be able to hold on to him.

 

He is on the 40 man roster now.

He is on the 40 man roster now.

Is he on a single year minor league contract (where he'd be a free agent either at the end of 2012 or at any point we wanted to send him down after 2012) or do we hold a couple option years on him where we have his rights through some future year?

Is he on a single year minor league contract (where he'd be a free agent either at the end of 2012 or at any point we wanted to send him down after 2012) or do we hold a couple option years on him where we have his rights through some future year?

 

Option years.

Once you hit AA, you can get the call to Chicago at any time. The Sox will call up pitchers from there.

 

I know, so even if they moved him along slowly and conservatively, he could still make the rotation by 25, which isn't bad at all.

I know, so even if they moved him along slowly and conservatively, he could still make the rotation by 25, which isn't bad at all.

Are we really thinking about him with the rotation in mind, or as a bullpen lefty in a year or two?

Are we really thinking about him with the rotation in mind, or as a bullpen lefty in a year or two?

 

If you can push him as a starter, you do so. If not, then you think about the pen. This is probably his make or break year depending on what he does at Bham.

Are we really thinking about him with the rotation in mind, or as a bullpen lefty in a year or two?

 

Why wouldn't you try to maximize his value as a starter? Until he proves he can't be a starter, he needs to be a starter.

Rick Hahn was on with Rongey today. He said both would start next year.

 

Quintana at AA

Veal at AAA