Balta1701 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 11:21 AM) I thought I replied to this yesterday, but it must not have gone through. If an event that happened in 1919 is a main concern to not allow a franchise in a certain city, then I don't think there's much reason to worry about putting a team there. But then again, Pete Rose. The gambling issue still looms over baseball. And especially with the higher ups, it seems to loom a lot. I just can't imagine MLB being the group that takes the first plunge into Vegas. Maybe, maybe they'd do it if the NBA put a team there and it was a success. Of course, the fact that 1/2 of Nevada is in foreclosure makes putting a team there in the near future very unlikely, so even in principle we're talking 10+ years out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulstar Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Having an odd amount of teams in each league is just unsound (just as having an uneven amount in each league was). You either need to add a team in each or delete one in each (deleting would probably make more sense, but we all know that is not going to happen, so we need two more). Best places from all the research I have done have to be Portland where support for baseball and a team seem pretty high, and probably somewhere in South such as Nashville, San Antonio, or the Carolinas. Las Vegas would be nice, but that's not happening. The idea of adding another team to the playoffs is really stupid, but what are you going to do. People will do anything if they think it means a couple more dollars in their pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Isn't Portland pretty affluent as well? If they're really interested in baseball there, then they'd be a slam dunk. The other team would have to be Nashville or somewhere in North or South Carolina, although I'd prefer Nashville much more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Something else we are forgetting...if they expand to 32 teams, do they realign like the NFL with 4 divisions of 4 teams in each league? Or do they contract to 2 8-team divisions in each league? I don't like either of those scenarios either, but the NFL version is probably better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 San Antonio / McAllen is actually San Antonio or McAllen/ Northern Mexico markets. IMNSHO the Rio Grande valley (McAllen) in the summer could not support a baseball team. The winter Texans head back up north reducing the population by 1/3 and the migrant population heads north for jobs. San Antonio would be more interesting. They would pull Mexican tourists coming from Monterrey and Austonites in addition to the local S.A. market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Kinda throw San Jose in there? I think that they are trying to get the A's to move from Oakland to San Jose. However, if the A's stay in Oakland, could San Jose get a team? Probably not, but San Jose is actually a pretty big city and probably has plans in place and there are a lot of technical companies in the area that could be good sponsors. However, SF is fairly close and they wouldn't like that idea. San Jose would have a better chance of getting a team like the A's moving than a new team but I thought that I would throw them into the mix. ' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 QUOTE (sunofgold @ Nov 19, 2011 -> 12:28 PM) Kinda throw San Jose in there? I think that they are trying to get the A's to move from Oakland to San Jose. However, if the A's stay in Oakland, could San Jose get a team? Probably not, but San Jose is actually a pretty big city and probably has plans in place and there are a lot of technical companies in the area that could be good sponsors. However, SF is fairly close and they wouldn't like that idea. San Jose would have a better chance of getting a team like the A's moving than a new team but I thought that I would throw them into the mix. ' MLB isn't going to push 3 franchises into the Bay Area, especially not with how much Oakland already struggles with attendance/ballpark issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChrisSamsa Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 04:45 PM) I think Las Vegas and Nashville are the two most ideal sites. Nashville is probably the best, as there isn't much baseball near there. As far as I can tell, the Nashville Sounds have a pretty good thing going. If a AAA team, who's MLB affiliate isn't even that geographically close can find sustained success in a market, I'd imagine an MLB team (maybe even promoting the Sounds to the MLB) would be pretty fruitful. QUOTE (sunofgold @ Nov 19, 2011 -> 11:28 AM) Kinda throw San Jose in there? I think that they are trying to get the A's to move from Oakland to San Jose. However, if the A's stay in Oakland, could San Jose get a team? Probably not, but San Jose is actually a pretty big city and probably has plans in place and there are a lot of technical companies in the area that could be good sponsors. However, SF is fairly close and they wouldn't like that idea. San Jose would have a better chance of getting a team like the A's moving than a new team but I thought that I would throw them into the mix. ' The Giants hold territorial rights over Santa Clara County.. If anyone is going there, it's the A's, which wouldn't be am expansion.. Unless the MLB pulls an NFL (Cleveland Browns) and the A's go elsewhere before the league puts a team in San Jose as part of an expansion. Here's a decent article on the subject Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ Nov 19, 2011 -> 01:39 PM) As far as I can tell, the Nashville Sounds have a pretty good thing going. If a AAA team, who's MLB affiliate isn't even that geographically close can find sustained success in a market, I'd imagine an MLB team (maybe even promoting the Sounds to the MLB) would be pretty fruitful. The Giants hold territorial rights over Santa Clara County.. If anyone is going there, it's the A's, which wouldn't be am expansion.. Unless the MLB pulls an NFL (Cleveland Browns) and the A's go elsewhere before the league puts a team in San Jose as part of an expansion. Here's a decent article on the subject Yes. That is the remote possibility that I was thinking. A's move elsewhere and San Jose gets a new team. But still Giants are the biggest roadblock to anything happening in San Jose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Most of my choices were already mentioned. 1. Nashville, TX 2. Charlotte, NC 3. Portland, OR 4. San Antonio, TX 5. Oklahoma City, OK 6. Richmond, VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Brooklyn would want a team again. Even though Queens is right there, people would support a third team in NY, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 If the problem with expansion is Kotsay is only hitting .270, wouldn't a few weaker pitchers allow his average to reach .290 or maybe even .300? problem solved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 With Miami, Tampa, and Oakland having such a hard time supporting teams, I don't think expansion is going to work anywhere right now, but in the hypothetical world, I think the best options would be: Portland San Antonio Las Vegas New Orleans San Jose would work, but only if Oakland moves there. Adding a third team in the Bay area won't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Just to be clear, when most people here were talking about San Jose earlier, I am pretty sure they meant the one in Puerto Rico. San Jose, CA, is A's or nothing. QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 12:44 PM) With Miami, Tampa, and Oakland having such a hard time supporting teams, I don't think expansion is going to work anywhere right now, but in the hypothetical world, I think the best options would be: Portland San Antonio Las Vegas New Orleans San Jose would work, but only if Oakland moves there. Adding a third team in the Bay area won't work. New Orleans used to be on the short lists, but they haven't really recovered from Katrina. Its a shadow of its former self. I don't think they'd even register as a possibility at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 19, 2011 -> 07:11 PM) Brooklyn would want a team again. Even though Queens is right there, people would support a third team in NY, I think. Brooklyn would get plenty of support if they got a team back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 02:45 PM) Brooklyn would get plenty of support if they got a team back If MLB were smart, they would also realize that moving more teams back into NYC would be the biggest way to cut into the Yankees $ advantages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Brooklyn would want a team again. Even though Queens is right there, people would support a third team in NY, I think. I can't imagine the Yankees and Mets allowing a third NY team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 09:38 PM) Something else we are forgetting...if they expand to 32 teams, do they realign like the NFL with 4 divisions of 4 teams in each league? Or do they contract to 2 8-team divisions in each league? I don't like either of those scenarios either, but the NFL version is probably better. With 4x4 we would get rid of that extra playoff spot. Not sure what teams in the northeast would think about that option though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 03:21 PM) I can't imagine the Yankees and Mets allowing a third NY team. I'm sure they wouldn't. I remember reading a few years back that for its size the NY metro area should have 4 to 5 teams in it, when compared to the sizes of the other markets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 04:50 PM) I'm sure they wouldn't. I remember reading a few years back that for its size the NY metro area should have 4 to 5 teams in it, when compared to the sizes of the other markets. How much power do the local teams really have in this regard? This seems like a point where Baseball's full anti-trust exemption would give them some power to overpower the wishes of those franchises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 04:34 PM) How much power do the local teams really have in this regard? This seems like a point where Baseball's full anti-trust exemption would give them some power to overpower the wishes of those franchises. It would. But Selig also has the testicles of a nun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 07:14 PM) It would. But Selig also has the testicles of a nun. First off, secondly, didn't they force Angelo to allow Washington into the Baltimore area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 06:19 PM) First off, secondly, didn't they force Angelo to allow Washington into the Baltimore area? Yeah, pretty much. Though that was out of a way worse situation than Oakland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 06:23 PM) Yeah, pretty much. Though that was out of a way worse situation than Oakland. It's hard to believe there can be a worse situation than Oakland with the A's, but then again, there's the Rays and formerly the Expos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 06:34 PM) It's hard to believe there can be a worse situation than Oakland with the A's, but then again, there's the Rays and formerly the Expos. Montreal was last in attendance their last seven years in MLB. Six of those years they didn't break a million fans. The one year that they did, it was by 25k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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