Viciedo was a very big deal. The dollars just weren't as big which is clouding your judgment.

 

J4L is right Viciedo was not a big deal.

Viciedo was being compared to Cabrera and everyone was saying he had 40-plus HR potential. He was a big-time prospect because he was an outstanding hitter not because of speed or defense. He also signed as a teenager whereas Cespedes is in his prime, ready to contribute Day One (or so teams think). Viciedo was going to be a two or three year project.

 

Exactly.

J4L is right Viciedo was not a big deal.

 

I wouldn't expect you to say anything else honestly.

Would like the source of the Cabrera/Viciedo comparison.

I'm not saying Viciedo was a nothing deal. But inking Cespedes would be like (ridiculous posting fee aside) the Sox signing Darvish.

 

Edit: I take it back. Can't ignore the posting fee when it comes to Darvish. Point remains the same.

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Would like the source of the Cabrera/Viciedo comparison.

 

Apparently your google is busted?

Viciedo was the biggest (Latin American) international signing on record at that time, aside from the Japanese pitchers. Guys like Brown and Passan were writing articles every other day about him in the heat of bidding war.

 

A ton of teams were in on him...now if you said Alexei Ramirez was "under the radar," full agreement on that one.

 

The question is whether the risk of his failure (going forward) is worth it, vis a vis the payout and the money already on the books for Danks, Dunn and Rios.

 

If he's not a legitimate enough CFer (more in the Vernon Wells milieu) and belongs at a corner, he's probably not worth that premium to the Sox. He definitely doesn't profile as a leadoff hitter, either. I'd rather have a Devon White with 775-825 OPS at CF and possessing leadoff capabilities than an athletic corner OF who puts up 875 or even 900.

Edited February 12, 201214 yr by caulfield12

Viciedo was the biggest (Latin American) international signing on record at that time, aside from the Japanese pitchers. Guys like Brown and Passan were writing articles every other day about him in the heat of bidding war.

 

A ton of teams were in on him...now if you said Alexei Ramirez was "under the radar," full agreement on that one.

 

The question is whether the risk of his failure (going forward) is worth it, vis a vis the payout and the money already on the books for Danks, Dunn and Rios.

 

If he's not a legitimate enough CFer (more in the Vernon Wells milieu) and belongs at a corner, he's probably not worth that premium to the Sox. He definitely doesn't profile as a leadoff hitter, either. I'd rather have a Devon White with 775-825 OPS at CF and possessing leadoff capabilities than an athletic corner OF who puts up 875 or even 900.

 

14 teams were reported to be after Viciedo.

Apparently your google is busted?

 

Yes. Can you post the source of the comparison for me.

Yes. Can you post the source of the comparison for me.

 

That's funny. In like a minute, I found comps to Vlad, Adrian, and Miguel.

That's funny. In like a minute, I found comps to Vlad, Adrian, and Miguel.

 

Search the entire internet please not just Soxtalk.

Search the entire internet please not just Soxtalk.

 

By all means, continue to bury your head in the sand.

Viciedo was referred to as "The Cuban Babe Ruth"

Forget about Dayan. In the end, he signed for, what, $10 million? If all these teams were genuinely interested in him (not just a token glance), he would've went for a lot more. Cespedes is a different beast. Just because Ozzie's gone doesn't mean the organizational philosophy has changed.

Forget about Dayan. In the end, he signed for, what, $10 million? If all these teams were genuinely interested in him (not just a token glance), he would've went for a lot more. Cespedes is a different beast. Just because Ozzie's gone doesn't mean the organizational philosophy has changed.

 

Will you get over the dollars. The only reason Cespedes is getting this much is because of the new caps going in on July 2.

Will you get over the dollars. The only reason Cespedes is getting this much is because of the new caps going in on July 2.

 

Wrong. That money was coming the second that YT video came out. I'm not saying that's right. But it's pretty much fact.

Forget about Dayan. In the end, he signed for, what, $10 million? If all these teams were genuinely interested in him (not just a token glance), he would've went for a lot more.

 

Exactly.

Wrong. That money was coming the second that YT video came out. I'm not saying that's right. But it's pretty much fact.

 

Maybe not $40M+, but certainly much more than $10M.

Wrong. That money was coming the second that YT video came out. I'm not saying that's right. But it's pretty much fact.

 

He was getting big money, but without the new spending caps, he would have gotten half or less than what he got now.

Cespedes and Soler are investments in the future. That's why they will get money and Buehrle wouldn't.

Cespedes and Soler are investments in the future. That's why they will get money and Buehrle wouldn't.

 

And you'd be making sense if we weren't talking about the White Sox (or Astros).

Nobody would have dreamed of Soler getting $15-25 million and Conception anywhere in the vicinity of $7 million even six months ago.

 

For all we know, the kid from the Padres or Hector Santiago might end up having a better major league career than someone the Cubs just spent more than an entire White Sox FA draft on.

 

Nobody would have dreamed of Soler getting $15-25 million and Conception anywhere in the vicinity of $7 million even six months ago.

 

For all we know, the kid from the Padres or Hector Santiago might end up having a better major league career than someone the Cubs just spent more than an entire White Sox FA draft on.

 

What the hell does this have to do with the Sox and Cespedes?

What the hell does this have to do with the Sox and Cespedes?

 

The Tigers remain very interested in both Yoenis Cespedes and Jorge Soler. The Prince Fielder signing cost them their first-round draft pick, and President Dave Dombrowski is very concerned about the level of talent in his farm system. phil rogers

 

 

 

The numbers being bandied about are a once-in-lifetime anomaly. Suddenly, some of these kids are worth 5-10-15X what they were worth just mere months ago.

 

The White Sox are always going to take their odds with 4-6 Dayan Viciedo's than one Cespedes.

 

Putting all their eggs in just a few baskets has crippled the major league payroll, they're not about to be hamstrung by another bad deal unless the scouts have reached a consensus on Yoenis...especially the CF versus corner outfielder issue.

 

To say that Viciedo wasn't highly-sought after because of the $10 million versus $40-60 million numbers for Cespedes is a bit disingenuous.

Edited February 12, 201214 yr by caulfield12

The Tigers remain very interested in both Yoenis Cespedes and Jorge Soler. The Prince Fielder signing cost them their first-round draft pick, and President Dave Dombrowski is very concerned about the level of talent in his farm system. phil rogers

 

 

 

The numbers being bandied about are a once-in-lifetime anomaly. Suddenly, some of these kids are worth 5-10-15X what they were worth just mere months ago.

 

The White Sox are always going to take their odds with 4-6 Dayan Viciedo's than one Cespedes.

 

Putting all their eggs in just a few baskets has crippled the major league payroll, they're not about to be hamstrung by another bad deal unless the scouts have reached a consensus on Yoenis...especially the CF versus corner outfielder issue.

 

To say that Viciedo wasn't highly-sought after because of the $10 million versus $40-60 million numbers for Cespedes is a bit disingenuous.

 

Let's say you and 2k5 are right and the numbers for some of these guys are bloated because of the soon-to-be-cap. The White Sox of all teams are going to pounce last minute? That's like me going on a bible binge or something. I'll be pissed off as f*** if the White Sox NOW decide that international talent matters.