Balta1701 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 07:18 PM) That's an even lower probability move and how long would it take for said player to become am impact bat? They clearly feel Cespedes is ready now or they wouldn't have agreed to a 4 year deal. Between the fact that the As are pretty regularly drafting in the top 10 and all the trades he's made, you'd think he could find some just by luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 The White Sox, who have a successful history of signing Cuban players, were one of several teams to inquire about Cuban free agent Yoenis Cespedes but their pursuit never reached a serious stage, sources indicated Monday. The price for an untested player at the major-league level was too high for a team that cut payroll and is the only one in baseball without a free-agent signing this offseason. http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2012/02...erious-pla.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Van Dyck is making it sound like the Cubs have Soler all wrapped up and ready to sign when he's granted free agency. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,5338208.story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=ApMJ...cespedes_021312 By the way, the White Sox are projected to be at $98 million for payroll, around 12th-13th-14th with Brewers/Twins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 06:18 PM) That's an even lower probability move and how long would it take for said player to become am impact bat? They clearly feel Cespedes is ready now or they wouldn't have agreed to a 4 year deal. "Ready now" just doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense for the A's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Seems they plan on starting him in RF from the beginning of the season in April. Could be a big disaster if he continues to struggle so much with offspeed stuff and gets off to a terrible start and loses his confidence, which was already shaken a bit because of the rust in the Dominican Winter League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 08:54 PM) Van Dyck is making it sound like the Cubs have Soler all wrapped up and ready to sign when he's granted free agency. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,5338208.story He has been all things Cubs since Theo arrived! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 08:54 PM) Van Dyck is making it sound like the Cubs have Soler all wrapped up and ready to sign when he's granted free agency. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,5338208.story Kevin Goldstein @Kevin_Goldstein Reply Retweet Favorite · Open Very much so. RT @Carl9730: @Kevin_Goldstein Are you taking seriously the Trib report that Soler to Cubs is all but done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Soler, according to one report, will be making $27.5 million with the Cubs for three or four years. He may have been courted by Cubs ownership and front-office officials while they were visiting their new Dominican academy earlier this month. That's just an incredible amount for a player who's arguably going to be starting 2012 in High A and is at least 2 years away from the majors, from all scouting reports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 10:26 PM) Soler, according to one report, will be making $27.5 million with the Cubs for three or four years. He may have been courted by Cubs ownership and front-office officials while they were visiting their new Dominican academy earlier this month. That's just an incredible amount for a player who's arguably going to be starting 2012 in High A and is at least 2 years away from the majors, from all scouting reports. If the Cubs want too throw money away like that so be it. Glad I am a Sox fan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Yeah, here is another article talking about it..... http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/cubs-talk/p...18036273395-915 f*** f*** f*** f*** f*** Kenny went 0/3 (2 of those 3 we REALLY could have used) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 10:35 PM) Yeah, here is another article talking about it..... http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/cubs-talk/p...18036273395-915 f*** f*** f*** f*** f*** Kenny went 0/3 (2 of those 3 we REALLY could have used) Thats alot of money for Soler.Glad we didnt sign him to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (Baron @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 11:38 PM) Thats alot of money for Soler.Glad we didnt sign him to that. Yeah, but this team desperately needs talent like that, and we have had great success with our Cuban ventures so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 10:40 PM) Yeah, but this team desperately needs talent like that, and we have had great success with our Cuban ventures so far. So overpay for a 19 year old? Yeah the Cubs can make fools of themselves. I rather not. They did the same thing with Concepcion. Edited February 14, 2012 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 10:26 PM) Soler, according to one report, will be making $27.5 million with the Cubs for three or four years. He may have been courted by Cubs ownership and front-office officials while they were visiting their new Dominican academy earlier this month. That's just an incredible amount for a player who's arguably going to be starting 2012 in High A and is at least 2 years away from the majors, from all scouting reports. It's a great deal of money. It's also Theo taking advantage of his resources and the opportunity to splurge before the CBA changes. Just like so many teams did in the 2011 draft. Since Epstein now has limitations on draft spending, might as well dump that money elsewhere. No better a place than in amateur talent for a rebuilding club, especially one with Soler's upside. Dude is a significant talent and would be a single digit draft choice if he were a draft eligible player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (Baron @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 11:41 PM) So overpay for a 19 year old? Yeah the Cubs can make fools of themselves. I rather not. They did the same thing with Concepcion. We have been so god damn cheap with our draft for so long, it would be nice to actually overpay for a great prospect every one and while. We are never going to turn this farm system around if we keep spending the bare minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 10:48 PM) We have been so god damn cheap with our draft for so long, it would be nice to actually overpay for a great prospect every one and while. We are never going to turn this farm system around if we keep spending the bare minimum. Good thing that overspending for teenage Cuban prospects isnt the only solution to fixing a farm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (Baron @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 11:53 PM) Good thing that overspending for teenage Cuban prospects isnt the only solution to fixing a farm. Alright, I give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 10:54 PM) Alright, I give up. Well sorry thats what happened here. I dont fault Kenny one bit for not paying that price. You know if he payed that people would be up in arms and ready to kick Kenny to the curb( not that they arent already). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 10:48 PM) We have been so god damn cheap with our draft for so long, it would be nice to actually overpay for a great prospect every one and while. We are never going to turn this farm system around if we keep spending the bare minimum. The most guaranteed money ever given to a draft pick was the $15M the Nats gave Strasburg and that deal was 50% more than the 2nd all-time highest (Prior), The Cubs are rumored to be guaranteeing Soler $27.5M. That's more than overpaying, Soler is considered a top 10 pick talent but is he worth 83% ($12.5M) more than Strasburg who is A.) a pitcher and B.) was in the majors 10 months after signing (could have led to his downfall but that's highly debatable)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 I'm happy that the Sox didn't end up spending a fortune on these 3 Cubans, but the question has to be asked "what exactly was KW talking about when he said that trading Quentin allowed them to do some creative things financially they couldn't have done before the trade"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpd9189 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Dislike the Cubs all you want, I like what they're doing. If Theo somehow finds a way to move Soriano then KW has no excuses why he can't get some team to take some of our dead weight off our hands. Aside from signing Danks to an extension, I'm not impressed at all with our offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 I'd like to point out we were favorites for Concepcion and Marlins for Cespedes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) Some might be lauding the Cubs' aggressiveness and open wallets, but I can hardly imagine that this constitutes a great signing at the dollars mentioned. I know you can't so easily compare it to someone like Borchard or Mark Prior, but the dollar figures have just gotten insane with an unproven five tool player. I'll take 10-15 Brian Goodwins over 1 Soler. It's not like there aren't any other five tool players in the Dominican, Asian market or Venezuela. Soler's just become way overvalued because of the circumstances. Someone mentioned Moneyball and exploiting a market, but the White Sox already set the precedent there, not the A's or the Cubs. The Cubs are like the mailman who buys the latest hot stock tip (Enron and WorldCom, you can't lose!) or plow their life savings into the property market at the height of the euphoria. The White Sox already got in and got out while it still made sense from a cost-benefit analysis standpoint. Edited February 14, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 11:15 PM) I'm happy that the Sox didn't end up spending a fortune on these 3 Cubans, but the question has to be asked "what exactly was KW talking about when he said that trading Quentin allowed them to do some creative things financially they couldn't have done before the trade"? He likely wanted to sign at least one of the Cubans, but the price wasn't right. Unfortunately it seems that money is going to go right back into Jerry's pocket. Not much else to spend it on at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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