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GT: Sox @ da Champs, 06/12, 7:15, the U

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QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 08:31 PM)
Lets get rid of Viciedo while were at it

 

Not to mention that Konerko guy. He is bound for a fall off.

Dunn was hitting .000 on four seam fastballs up and in for the entire season?

 

Guess that's his weakness, lol.

 

 

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 06:24 PM)
If there is that much interest in him then he needs to be dealt. Let someone else pay the $30M owed.

You have no concept of what guys are worth. Ready to ship Viciedo out and now thinking no team would have interest in Ramirez. Ramirez might be struggling but he's an elite defensive shortstop with some pop and an overall solid bat. Dude won a silver slugger for a reason (and should have a few gold gloves). He's easily a top 10 shortstop in this league and when on (even factoring in his crappy start to the season).

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 08:29 PM)
Meanwhile, Marty's best idea at SS this offseason was Brent Lillibridge. That would be working out really well.

 

Sure, let's just stick Escobar there, we're only in the middle of a pennant race because we're "all in" again but now we want to save money we'll have to pay Alexei Ramirez 2-3 seasons from now.

 

In the meantime, attendance for watching the Lillibridge/Escobar show at SS will nosedive to 14,241 per game. FIRE KW!!!

 

You change your opinions so often it's impossible to figure out where you stand.

Great jump ADA

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 09:31 AM)
Not to mention that Konerko guy. He is bound for a fall off.

 

 

And AJ can't continue this level of production, so we should get the most we can back for him now.

 

While we're at it, trade Rios, Dunn and Peavy, too.

 

And Chris Sale will never be worth more than he is worth today, so let's trade him for 3 prospects named Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore and Brandon Phillips.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 06:31 PM)
Dunn with a weak ab.

he's got more homers than singles

BTW, While Alexei has struggled this year for sure...his 27 RBIs aren't bad as far as productivity goes.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 08:33 PM)
You have no concept of what guys are worth. Ready to ship Viciedo out and now thinking no team would have interest in Ramirez. Ramirez might be struggling but he's an elite defensive shortstop with some pop and an overall solid bat. Dude won a silver slugger for a reason (and should have a few gold gloves). He's easily a top 10 shortstop in this league and when on (even factoring in his crappy start to the season).

 

Wonderful. Get something for him then.

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QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 08:35 PM)
Wonderful. Get something for him then.

 

Then who is gonna play SS?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 09:34 AM)
You change your opinions so often it's impossible to figure out where you stand.

 

 

Chris Sale in the bullpen for the rest of 2012=season over, rebuild, fire KW

 

Chris Sale in the rotation=everything's fine, no problems, add pieces without giving away any core components for the future

 

That's it.

 

 

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 08:34 PM)
he's got more homers than singles

Love it.

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Wow. A-Rod & the Yankees just f***ed Johnny Venters up. Maybe all those innings last year are taking a toll on him.

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:34 PM)
And AJ can't continue this level of production, so we should get the most we can back for him now.

 

While we're at it, trade Rios, Dunn and Peavy, too.

 

And Chris Sale will never be worth more than he is worth today, so let's trade him for 3 prospects named Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore and Brandon Phillips.

That was actually a helluva deal for the tribe.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 08:30 PM)
No lack of patience really. At 31, I see this as the start of a downhill slide for him.

He is in elite shape...he'll age better than most...

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 08:36 PM)
Then who is gonna play SS?

Don Kessinger

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 06:35 PM)
Wonderful. Get something for him then.

If all you do is trade your good players, you probably never actually win. I'm all for trading guys if you get the right value and fill in the pieces but I don't exactly know who the hell the Sox are going to get to fill the void. Shortstop is a hard position to fill and unless Beckham proves he can hit, he can't play at short. I can live with his defense at short if he's hitting the hell out of the ball, but if he isn't, he needs to stay at 2B. Escobar isn't able to hit enough to short (and is a downgrade defensively; not a knock on Esocbar, again, more of a compliment to Ramirez) and Lillibridge sure as heck isn't competent enough offensively to play (and again, is a defensive downgrade).

 

 

This kid cant possibly keep this up can he?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 09:35 AM)
Wonderful. Get something for him then.

 

 

Why would you do that NOW, in the middle of the season, when his value's lower or maybe at its lowest in recent memory?

 

Do you really think he's just going to get worse and worse? This is solely based on the theory that he's really 2-3 years older than his birth certificate?

 

His defense has been the same as ever this year, if not better.

 

And project 27 rbi's in 60 games over the next 100. That's very decent RBI production for a SS, although obviously the OPS is very low.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 08:37 PM)
Wow. A-Rod & the Yankees just f***ed Johnny Venters up. Maybe all those innings last year are taking a toll on him.

Yanks have been playing well last few weeks.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 06:38 PM)
If all you do is trade your good players, you probably never actually win. I'm all for trading guys if you get the right value and fill in the pieces but I don't exactly know who the hell the Sox are going to get to fill the void. Shortstop is a hard position to fill and unless Beckham proves he can hit, he can't play at short. I can live with his defense at short if he's hitting the hell out of the ball, but if he isn't, he needs to stay at 2B. Escobar isn't able to hit enough to short (and is a downgrade defensively; not a knock on Esocbar, again, more of a compliment to Ramirez) and Lillibridge sure as heck isn't competent enough offensively to play (and again, is a defensive downgrade).

Plus at this point, you aren't even trading him at his peak.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 08:36 PM)
Then who is gonna play SS?

 

If the deal for Ramirez is as overwhelming as I'm lead to believe it would be by reading this thread, it doesn't matter.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 08:39 PM)
Why would you do that NOW, in the middle of the season, when his value's lower or maybe at its lowest in recent memory?

 

Do you really think he's just going to get worse and worse? This is solely based on the theory that he's really 2-3 years older than his birth certificate?

 

His defense has been the same as ever this year, if not better.

 

And project 27 rbi's in 60 games over the next 100. That's very decent RBI production for a SS, although obviously the OPS is very low.

 

And the whole "in first place" thing.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 06:38 PM)
This kid cant possibly keep this up can he?

I love the fact that he attacks on the mound and changes his pitches. He throws at various speeds and angles and if you do that with command and decent stuff, you have a chance.

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