Sure it is. The Sox problem is a fickel fan base, not talent evaluation.

FICKEL IS EINHORN

FICKEL IS EINHORN

YOUR GUN IS DIGGING INTO MY HIP

Bolded is true - but the other way around is somewhat true. And yet, despite being 9th in attendence in the AL, they had the 5th highest team salary, and that was after actually SHEDDING some from 2011. The argument that this White Sox regime, under KW/Hahn and JerryCo (since, say, 2000-ish), is cheap or unwilling to invest in the team, is 100% complete nonsense. This organization puts more into player payroll with less revenue than most teams in baseball.

 

Not arguing that Chairman Reinsdorf is cheap, just that the results during his tenure of ownership doesn't deserve a more rabid fanbase.

Let's see if it changes attendance. The high cost is one excuse fans have for not coming to games. There is now one less excuse.

 

My bet is that attendance doesn't much and fans find other excuses.

 

the one before that was "winning". First place for 117 days wasn't enough to change that.

the one before that was "winning". First place for 117 days wasn't enough to change that.

 

What did they win?

What did they win?

 

Well you can only win a division title on ONE DAY.

What did they win?

Waiting for them already to have won something is a silly line in the sand for any fan base to draw. The "winning" excuse only takes you up to pennant contention, and then why WOULDN'T you want to be there for the fun part? "I will only come for the 10 games after they have wrapped up the pennant?" What?

What did they win?

 

Games?

What did they win?

 

So the strategy is to wait until the have actually already won a division title? The season is over at that point.

Waiting for them already to have won something is a silly line in the sand for any fan base to draw. The "winning" excuse only takes you up to pennant contention, and then why WOULDN'T you want to be there for the fun part? "I will only come for the 10 games after they have wrapped up the pennant?" What?

 

Exactly.

So the strategy is to wait until the have actually already won a division title? The season is over at that point.

 

You and your logic. Pfffft!

 

 

It'll never catch on.

So the strategy is to wait until the have actually already won a division title? The season is over at that point.

 

Ownership has not produced the results over their 30-year tenure to produce a rabid fan base.

Ownership has not produced the results over their 30-year tenure to produce a rabid fan base.

 

If 117 days in first place isn't enough for fans to go to games, what is? How many years of winning are enough? Also how is what happened in 1982 relevant to what is going on in 2013?

If 117 days in first place isn't enough for fans to go to games, what is? How many years of winning are enough? Also how is what happened in 1982 relevant to what is going on in 2013?

 

Your definition of winning is an odd one.

For the Sox to draw well, they really need some marketable stars. Last year we were winning, but the team was vanilla as can be. The Sox desperately need Hawkins or Thompson to break out.

Your definition of winning is an odd one.

 

Yours is an undefined one.

Yours is an undefined one.

 

Let's just go off of the "30 years" mantra you keep preaching... Teams who shouldn't have any attendance because they have won less than 6 divisions and 2 world series titles in the last 30 years....

 

Washington, Tampa Bay, Colorado, Miami, Milwaukee, Seattle, San Diego, Arizona, Texas, NY Mets, Kansas City, Houston, Baltimore, Detroit, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Oakland, San Francisco, and the Cubs.

For the Sox to draw well, they really need some marketable stars. Last year we were winning, but the team was vanilla as can be. The Sox desperately need Hawkins or Thompson to break out.

Throughout Sox histroy it's been proven this is not the case.

 

The Sox need to win, plain and simple.

It's really at a stalemate. Fans says put a good team on the field and we'll come, ownership says come and we can afford to put a competitive team on the field.

Ownership tried that very recently, fans didn't support it.

Ownership tried that very recently, fans didn't support it.

 

They spent money on payroll in 2011, it didn't work.

They were in first place for 117 days in 2012, it didn't work.

Fans won't go to games before the team clinches because they haven't won anything yet. Fans won't go to games after the team clinches because those games are meaningless. The biggest failure of the Sox is that they are unable to get their magic number down to 2 very early and then lose a long string of potential clinchers that fans will flock to, before finally clinching at the end of the season.

Edited January 10, 201313 yr by HickoryHuskers

They spent money on payroll in 2011, it didn't work.

They were in first place for 117 days in 2012, it didn't work.

 

Sox fans deserve better ownership.

Sox fans deserve better ownership.*

 

*with no definition as to what "better" actually is.

*with no definition as to what "better" actually is.

One of the top spenders in a division...Guess not.

A long string of non under .500 teams....Guess not

World Series win....Guess not

 

 

Ownership isn't perfect, but that's expected. I at least can't fault JR for hiring guys like Kenny who will do whatever he can in his power to help the Sox win. I didn't agree with KW on a lot of moves, but he worked like hell to try and bring wins to the Sox.

*with no definition as to what "better" actually is.

 

Ownership that is willing to do whatever it takes to build an organization that has sustained success. Sustained success, to begin with, is multiple postseasons in a row.