April 3, 201313 yr QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 09:19 AM) LMAO. Yes, let's try to make that ridiculous connection, he's trying to make money off sexual assault. He's actually trying to fight it if you listen to him, which you claim you don't, but probably do. Doubt he makes any money off of talking about Alford directly. He's been at the Score what, 15 years? He's a salaried employee, probably pretty consistent with that as well. I highly doubt the ratings spike due to talking about Alford for a few days, and enough to have someone walk into the office with a giant bag of money. It's not about money. I'm certainly not trying to minimize what Alford did, but don't you think Bernstein is being a bit overdramatic? This kind of s*** goes on constantly with big time college and pro sports and male athletes. All one needs to do is see how glorified high-profile male athletes are in our culture and how they are allowed to literally get away with murder to understand that this incident is a mere blip on the radar of transgressions committed probably almost daily. To act as though what Alford did is somehow unique or unheard of, given the energy Bernstein has devoted to this, certainly makes it seem as though he has another agenda in mind here.
April 3, 201313 yr QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:26 AM) I'm certainly not trying to minimize what Alford did, but don't you think Bernstein is being a bit overdramatic? This kind of s*** goes on constantly with big time college and pro sports and male athletes. All one needs to do is see how glorified high-profile male athletes are in our culture and how they are allowed to literally get away with murder to understand that this incident is a mere blip on the radar of transgressions committed probably almost daily. To act as though what Alford did is somehow unique or unheard of, given the energy Bernstein has devoted to this, certainly makes it seem as though he has another agenda in mind here. Bernstein is always overdramatic, that's his thing. But it seems like this is a consistent issue for him, the abuse of power in the sports world to cover up incidents like this.
April 3, 201313 yr QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:26 AM) Using a large media platform to bring up the issue again and again (Penn State, Stuebenville, Alford) is "doing something" How much time did Bernstein spend on Ray Lewis? Considering the things his 70 year old partner says, it's pretty hard to use that show as a platform for morals. Edited April 3, 201313 yr by Dick Allen
April 3, 201313 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:22 AM) So outside of talking about Steve Alford, what is he doing to actually fight sexual assault? Is he donating to organizations? Is he volunteering at battered women's shelters? Talking about a news story isn't nearly equal to actually fighting something. Well he's certainly not trying to make money off of it, which is my main point. Awareness is part of fighting it. I don't know what he does in his free time. At least he's not doing what Alford did to help to just let it go.
April 3, 201313 yr QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:28 AM) How much time did Bernstein spend on Ray Lewis? I dunno, he was pretty negative on him pre-SB this year. Not sure what that has to do with whether or not using a media outlet to promote or raise awareness of something counts as "doing something," though.
April 3, 201313 yr QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:28 AM) Bernstein is always overdramatic, that's his thing. But it seems like this is a consistent issue for him, the abuse of power in the sports world to cover up incidents like this. How has his rants changed things other than he gets to hear himself talk?
April 3, 201313 yr QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:26 AM) I'm certainly not trying to minimize what Alford did, but don't you think Bernstein is being a bit overdramatic? This kind of s*** goes on constantly with big time college and pro sports and male athletes. All one needs to do is see how glorified high-profile male athletes are in our culture and how they are allowed to literally get away with murder to understand that this incident is a mere blip on the radar of transgressions committed probably almost daily. To act as though what Alford did is somehow unique or unheard of, given the energy Bernstein has devoted to this, certainly makes it seem as though he has another agenda in mind here. Part of it stems from the interview that was on his show when the whole thing happened, so there's a stronger connection there.
April 3, 201313 yr I guess you two can reject the entire idea of awareness of an issue being important, have fun!
April 3, 201313 yr QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:28 AM) How much time did Bernstein spend on Ray Lewis? Considering the things his 70 year old partner says, it's pretty hard to use that show as a platform for morals. A pretty good amount of time. They were all over him for 2 weeks leading up to it.
April 3, 201313 yr QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:31 AM) I guess you two can reject the entire idea of awareness of an issue being important, have fun! I'll forever think of them when I see someone wearing pink for breast cancer AWARENESS et al.
April 3, 201313 yr QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:28 AM) Bernstein is always overdramatic, that's his thing. But it seems like this is a consistent issue for him, the abuse of power in the sports world to cover up incidents like this. That's fine...but maybe he could discuss the overarching issue a bit more...instead of just zeroing in on Alford, who he clearly has a personal issue with outside of this particular transgression.
April 3, 201313 yr QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:32 AM) A pretty good amount of time. They were all over him for 2 weeks leading up to it. Why did he stop? ESPN hired Lewis. ESPN radio is a direct competitor to Bernstein. He should go on and on about it everyday.
April 3, 201313 yr QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:34 AM) That's fine...but maybe he could discuss the overarching issue a bit more...instead of just zeroing in on Alford, who he clearly has a personal issue with outside of this particular transgression. He was stuck on PSU for about a year, he's covered Stuebenville, he's discussed the crap at ND, and now he's discussing Alford because he's in the news. Yeah, it's an excuse for him to break out his hobby-horse, but that doesn't mean it's illegitimate. He's not running some esoteric show on NPR that's going to invite on a bunch of sociologists to discuss the issue, so he's going to use the current hot topic to rant about. Like agreed earlier, it seems like he has something personal with Alford, but this fits a common theme.
April 3, 201313 yr Bernstein has always just been so much of an egotistical prick that he veers off what the point should be, in favor of his own personal agendas, which usually is getting the last word in in any debate. It takes away from the show and makes him unbearable at times.
April 3, 201313 yr QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:38 AM) Bernstein has always just been so much of an egotistical prick that he veers off what the point should be, in favor of his own personal agendas, which usually is getting the last word in in any debate. It takes away from the show and makes him unbearable at times. I don't think anyone is disagreeing there.
April 3, 201313 yr QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:37 AM) Why did he stop? ESPN hired Lewis. ESPN radio is a direct competitor to Bernstein. He should go on and on about it everyday. Because it's not as topical anymore. QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:37 AM) He was stuck on PSU for about a year, he's covered Stuebenville, he's discussed the crap at ND, and now he's discussing Alford because he's in the news. Yeah, it's an excuse for him to break out his hobby-horse, but that doesn't mean it's illegitimate. He's not running some esoteric show on NPR that's going to invite on a bunch of sociologists to discuss the issue, so he's going to use the current hot topic to rant about. Like agreed earlier, it seems like he has something personal with Alford, but this fits a common theme. Good summary. He's covered a lot of areas. It's not just against Alford. This too will pass, Alford apologists.
April 3, 201313 yr QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:39 AM) Because it's not as topical anymore. Good summary. He's covered a lot of areas. It's not just against Alford. This too will pass, Alford apologists. Well, there is the Rutgers coach. If Bernstein is such a moral guy, and questionable behavior bothers his so much, sports really shouldn't be his bag. Usually, the holier than thou guys in real life turn out to be the biggest scumbags.
April 3, 201313 yr LOL, yup, Bernstein is likely a scumbag because he calls out known scumbag Alford.
April 3, 201313 yr QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:53 AM) LOL, yup, Bernstein is likely a scumbag because he calls out known scumbag Alford. I am not saying that just because of Alford. It was mentioned he calls out a lot of people. It is not uncommon those types of guys are pretty sleasy when it comes to their own personal business.
April 3, 201313 yr f***, you're right, I bet Bernstein has covered up a bunch of sexual assaults! edit: you're finding a way to brush aside criticism of Alford and direct it to Bernstein no matter what's brought up. either he cares too much, or not enough, or he's not doing anything, or he's not doing enough with other issues, or he's making money or he's alienating his fanbase, or, scrapping all that, he's probably the real moral monster here! Heads you win, tails Bernstein has a bigger scandal than PSU and the RCC combined. Edited April 3, 201313 yr by StrangeSox
April 3, 201313 yr QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:38 AM) Bernstein has always just been so much of an egotistical prick that he veers off what the point should be, in favor of his own personal agendas, which usually is getting the last word in in any debate. It takes away from the show and makes him unbearable at times. he comes across as a self-important bully
April 3, 201313 yr QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 11:00 AM) f***, you're right, I bet Bernstein has covered up a bunch of sexual assaults! Laugh of the day....
April 3, 201313 yr QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:53 AM) LOL, yup, Bernstein is likely a scumbag because he calls out known scumbag Alford. In my book it's not so much that he hates Alford. But he feels the need to bring up something that is almost 10 years old just because he got a new job. I dont remember him going out of his way to turn the NM media against Alford. but now that he's in LA, this is Bernstein's time to get him. He almost seemed to think that clearly UCLA didnt do its research in hiring Alford. because, clearly no college team would want to hire such a horrible human being. Edited April 3, 201313 yr by Athomeboy_2000
April 3, 201313 yr Yeah but "sports being used to cover up sexual assault" is kinda topical right now.
April 3, 201313 yr QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 11:00 AM) f***, you're right, I bet Bernstein has covered up a bunch of sexual assaults! edit: you're finding a way to brush aside criticism of Alford and direct it to Bernstein no matter what's brought up. either he cares too much, or not enough, or he's not doing anything, or he's not doing enough with other issues, or he's making money or he's alienating his fanbase, or, scrapping all that, he's probably the real moral monster here! Heads you win, tails Bernstein has a bigger scandal than PSU and the RCC combined. I'll add more - this is all just a cover up http://www.onestepcamp.org/about/board-of-directors/
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