caulfield12 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,2266617.story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Pretty weak denial. "i'm here as long as I'm here." His action of turning down free money speaks more loudly than his words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Dave Martinez anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 If I'm a betting man, there will be a new person in charge next season. Robin likely does not need the money and he knows this team is going to struggle for several years. My guess is that Joe McEwing is running the show next season. And I'm fine with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Dave Martinez anyone? Never. The manager of the Sox must always be statistically ignorant, so help me God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 03:54 AM) Dave Martinez anyone? Not if Ryne Sandberg gets a vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Who cares he is a bad manager who makes bad managing decisions. He doesn't value outs. He tries to setup sacrifices by players who can't, he calls for sacrifices when the players coming up have a low propensity to produce the run from the sacrifice (fly ball or base hit), he trots out guys like Nate Jones who have a high propensity to go ball 1,2,3 in bases loaded situations, he still thinks Matt Thornton must be throwing 97 with a 12.0 K/9, he loves to call for steals ahead of players like Dunn who are true three outcome, negating any value in the steal even if they don't get thrown out. I would prefer him to leave and Rick Hahn to hire someone that fits his bill, someone whose attention to detail and modern metrics is superb. Someone who wants to put in the time to follow an organization and developmental protocol and strategy. Like how Theo hired Sveum or how Cherington hired Farrell. When RV leaves I will cheer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (joeynach @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 01:14 AM) Who cares he is a bad manager who makes bad managing decisions. He doesn't value outs. He tries to setup sacrifices by players who can't, he calls for sacrifices when the players coming up have a low propensity to produce the run from the sacrifice (fly ball or base hit), he trots out guys like Nate Jones who have a high propensity to go ball 1,2,3 in bases loaded situations, he still thinks Matt Thornton must be throwing 97 with a 12.0 K/9, he loves to call for steals ahead of players like Dunn who are true three outcome, negating any value in the steal even if they don't get thrown out. I would prefer him to leave and Rick Hahn to hire someone that fits his bill, someone whose attention to detail and modern metrics is superb. Someone who wants to put in the time to follow an organization and developmental protocol and strategy. Like how Theo hired Sveum or how Cherington hired Farrell. When RV leaves I will cheer. Let's see, Ventura is an idiot for putting what was his only lefty in the bullpen into games or Nate Jones. and Theo is a genius because he hired Sveum, a guy who even Cub personnel questioned his overuse of Marmol. Gotcha. What kind of modern metrics tells Sveum to keep sending Edwin Jackson out every 5 days? And ask people in Toronto what they think of Ferell. There's an excellent chance that if the players remained the same, there is no one some here would like as the White Sox manager. Edited June 9, 2013 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 What kind of modern metrics tells Sveum to keep sending Edwin Jackson out every 5 days? Check out Edwin's FIP, and then come back and amend your statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Robin does the best he can. He isn't a quitter for sure. But, does he need the heartburn past this season remains to be seen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 It's beyond obvious he doesn't really want to be a manager, and was just doing KW a favor by taking the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 04:13 PM) It's beyond obvious he doesn't really want to be a manager, and was just doing KW a favor by taking the job. He's the reluctant dad who acquiesced to pressure to coach youth soccer team because be played in college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 10:34 AM) Check out Edwin's FIP, and then come back and amend your statement. Check out Nate Jones' FIP and then tell me why Ventura shouldn't use him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 9, 2013 Author Share Posted June 9, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 11:11 AM) Check out Nate Jones' FIP and then tell me why Ventura shouldn't use him. Well, either that or looking at our AAA roster at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Check out Nate Jones' FIP and then tell me why Ventura shouldn't use him. I never said a thing about Nate Jones. I think you have me confused with someone else. I've always liked Edwin, and I respect the work he did here. He should have been given Danks' contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 06:44 PM) I never said a thing about Nate Jones. I think you have me confused with someone else. I've always liked Edwin, and I respect the work he did here. He should have been given Danks' contract. There are some other mitigating factors. Danks was/is a product of our system, homegrown and a lefty. Part of it was the loyalty factor and "taking care of our own," showing all the minor leaguers they can be set for life if they perform at the big league level. Part of it is his age and the fact that psychologically, they needed an anchor for the rotation to replace Buehrle (and not knowing exactly what they had in Chris Sale as a starter, performance or health-wise.) While Jackson performed as well as Cooper as he has under basically any pitching coach...looking at his erratic career, while it evened out with the White Sox or stabilized, he wasn't the pitcher that you give a 4-5 contract too, unless he was going to be a replacement for Floyd as a 4/5 and not the 2/3 guy those contracts were expecting in terms of performance. Edited June 10, 2013 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 11:13 AM) It's beyond obvious he doesn't really want to be a manager, and was just doing KW a favor by taking the job. That's what it seems like. I just wonder how he seemed to do such a good job for the first 5 months last year? Beginners luck? Or was it just the fact that Ozzie wasn't around anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 08:07 PM) That's what it seems like. I just wonder how he seemed to do such a good job for the first 5 months last year? Beginners luck? Or was it just the fact that Ozzie wasn't around anymore? Probably both, and players producing as well. Well that and you can't make as many mistakes with 25 guys as you can with 40, as we saw. Hell, down the road he could turn into a great manager, who knows. But if he doesn't want to be doing this, it's irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) Ventura has never said he doesn't want the job. In fact, the only thing he said about it was during spring training when he said he liked it more than he thought. His demeanor hasn't changed. It was the same when he was playing. He basically said the other day, he is managing out his comtract, then they will talk about another. The comclusions being made because he turned down an extension are proposterus. How it is ovvious to anyone here that he doesn't want the job, is crazy unless you have talked to him and he told you so. The other thing I don't understand is the Dave Martinez love. The guy has interviewed for several jobs and hasn't been offered one. If standing next to Maddon makes him so skart, how is Ventura so dumb when he has played for Torborg, Lamont, Valentine and Torre? Edited June 10, 2013 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balfanman Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 05:48 AM) Ventura has never said he doesn't want the job. In fact, the only thing he said about it was during spring training when he said he liked it more than he thought. His demeanor hasn't changed. It was the same when he was playing. He basically said the other day, he is managing out his comtract, then they will talk about another. The comclusions being made because he turned down an extension are proposterus. How it is ovvious to anyone here that he doesn't want the job, is crazy unless you have talked to him and he told you so. The other thing I don't understand is the Dave Martinez love. The guy has interviewed for several jobs and hasn't been offered one. If standing next to Maddon makes him so skart, how is Ventura so dumb when he has played for Torborg, Lamont, Valentine and Torre? I agree with you D.A. Saying that Robin Ventura doesn't want to manage based on the evidence that we have is not ignorance, it's foolishness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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