Jake Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 01:36 PM) That's why he has to be a starter, and why you can make an argument we could survive and compete in 2014 without Peavy a lot more easily than if we traded Rios/Ramirez. Definitely. 2011 is when Hector added the screwball and he had pretty much lost it entirely a calendar year later. Impressive that he has gotten by without the pitch that many thought was responsible for his rise through the minors. He has mentioned that the changeup is also new, so even though it isn't good it might be making his fastball better. His curveball is just okay, to me. Might be his best offspeed, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 06:38 PM) Santiago has great stuff he just needs to challenge them and work off his fast ball better; so far in this game he isn't spotting it very well. If he could just develop a slow curve or something to get ahead in the count (like Danks yesterday), it would put him in an even great situation to use his fastball up for a strikeout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 01:38 PM) Whatever that changeup/screwball is, it needs work It's a shame, as he has a swing and miss fastball Hector is a rare example of a guy who has a better fastball than reported when he shows up in the big leagues. I remember Lucas Harrell being that way as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 PK's loss of power continues to astound me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 06:40 PM) PK's loss of power continues to astound me. Must have been off the end of the bat, as I thought that was another line drive homer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 12:38 PM) Definitely. 2011 is when Hector added the screwball and he had pretty much lost it entirely a calendar year later. Impressive that he has gotten by without the pitch that many thought was responsible for his rise through the minors. He has mentioned that the changeup is also new, so even though it isn't good it might be making his fastball better. His curveball is just okay, to me. Might be his best offspeed, though. Which is why having the 8th highest K/9 ratio in all of MLB WITHOUT a great secondary pitch is even more amazing. Someone doing that with mostly fastballs, you're committing a crime if you're not pushing them to get pitches 2 and 3 in your repertoire down. It almost seems that Santiago was consumed with having 4-5 pitches (as a minor leaguer) and trying to throw all of them, and, in the process, he didn't perfect any of them....making them all more or less "meh." When he does throw the screwball, it has a ton of movement, unfortunately, he hasn't mastered the touch and command with it enough to keep hitters completely off his fastball when he gets behind in the count. Edited June 9, 2013 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 01:41 PM) Must have been off the end of the bat, as I thought that was another line drive homer. He just doesn't look right. Does not look like a confident hitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 "I'll have to fire you again" - Hawk on LaRussa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Hawk comes off as a super arrogant guy, but has no problem ripping on his stint as general manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Viciedo's swing plane is awful right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 06:42 PM) He just doesn't look right. Does not look like a confident hitter. In my opinion, he looks like someone who knows he's washed up. It started last season when he started just trying to flare everything to right field, even in situations where a home run was needed, etc. Edited June 9, 2013 by fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 01:44 PM) In my opinion, he looks like someone who knows he's washed up I've never thought he was an especially mentally tough guy and he just does not have much time to get it turned around. If he has another one of his full season slumps like has in the past, it'll be his last season and rightfully so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 11:39 AM) Hector is a rare example of a guy who has a better fastball than reported when he shows up in the big leagues. I remember Lucas Harrell being that way as well. We haven't seen it a lot because of his lack of starts but I think Hector also maintains the speed on his fb too maybe even increasing the speed as the gamed progresses a la Verlander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Coco Crisp looks like a Hall of Famer when he plays against us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Shocker, the change-up gets hammered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Uh-oh. Homer #7 for Crisp, all on the road. You can't win any games if you don't score. At least Viciedo is hitting better against RHP than BJ Upton, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 01:47 PM) Shocker, the change-up gets hammered We've all seen that before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 01:39 PM) If he could just develop a slow curve or something to get ahead in the count (like Danks yesterday), it would put him in an even great situation to use his fastball up for a strikeout that looks like a slow curve he just got lowrie out infront of, but I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Instead of a porn stash, Hawk just has a collection of highlight reel throws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 07:50 PM) that looks like a slow curve he just got lowrie out infront of, but I agree with you. Yep, nice pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 01:50 PM) that looks like a slow curve he just got lowrie out infront of, but I agree with you. He has one, he just doesn't like to throw it...especially against righties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Rick Ankiel (when on an active roster) has the best arm from the outfield, no doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 All three Cubans involved on that play, haha. Too bad we have the wrong ones for right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Today would be a good day for Beckham's first homer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 12:54 PM) Today would be a good day for Beckham's first homer Not sure about that. Then he'd get homer happy, end up with 10-12 at the end of the season but another 625 OPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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