There would have to be significant $$ going to PITT and I'm not sure Rick would do that right now.

 

Considerations is a bigtime debate in the offices...almost more than target players right now.

 

I really hope that significant money being sent over is in consideration if it sweetens the return to a large degree. The Sox desperately need to strengthen the farm

I really hope that significant money being sent over is in consideration if it sweetens the return to a large degree. The Sox desperately need to strengthen the farm

But paying $10 million for an upgrade to a B prospect doesn't make sense. The player probably won't perform as well as the guys you gave up, and you are still out significant money.

There would have to be significant $$ going to PITT and I'm not sure Rick would do that right now.

 

Considerations is a bigtime debate in the offices...almost more than target players right now.

I hope that doesn't mean that they are in salary cutting mode.

 

The deal I saw had Rios and Alexei going for some somewhat youngish Pirate bench players - numbers looked like those thrown up by Viciedo and Flowers, with a moderate upgrade over Dylan Axelrod.

I'd much rather A and A ball players with some upside but more risk.

Edited July 19, 201312 yr by GreenSox

Sox have been VERY active, but are playing the market patiently.

Good - contenders aren't going to all have their needs met, our injuries will hopefully mend, and prices should be driven upwards as supply limitations continue to unfold.

 

This is one two week period that will really show us a difference between Kenny and Rick.

 

With Williams ultra aggressive style, he didn't have many opportunities to display leverage tactics.

Hanh on the other hand is known to have high negotiation skills.

 

Bring it...

Edited July 19, 201312 yr by hi8is

That article said they both combined are worth $4 million. That's scary bad in this economy. That's Francouer-like. I don't mind having Alexei on the Sox. I'd dump Rios for whatever we can get and force the future to begin in right field.

 

$4M surplus value, not what they're worth.

$4M surplus value, not what they're worth.

 

That's how I take it too. Surplus value meaning they're worth 4 mill more than they're being paid.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 20, 201312 yr by scs787

Rios and Alexei worth more than the crap prospects that writer thinks they are worth.

So with the stunt Rios pulled tonight? How much does this affect his trade value?

 

Optimistic, he's still a very good player. And honestly, we know a lot of hitters dog it to first.

 

Pessimistic, Hahn will get low ball offers still, we'll be with him for another season.

So with the stunt Rios pulled tonight? How much does this affect his trade value?

 

Optimistic, he's still a very good player. And honestly, we know a lot of hitters dog it to first.

 

Pessimistic, Hahn will get low ball offers still, we'll be with him for another season.

It certainly didn't help his value, and I don't mean the benching, I mean the loafing, but he is one guy where the reports are the offers are weak, so for them to improve, he is going to have to be really good the next 10 days. Maybe he realizes he let his teammates down tonight with his lack of effort and comes out tomorrow on fire.

It certainly didn't help his value, and I don't mean the benching, I mean the loafing, but he is one guy where the reports are the offers are weak, so for them to improve, he is going to have to be really good the next 10 days. Maybe he realizes he let his teammates down tonight with his lack of effort and comes out tomorrow on fire.

 

I really hope so. And a Peavy domination.

Good - contenders aren't going to all have their needs met, our injuries will hopefully mend, and prices should be driven upwards as supply limitations continue to unfold.

 

This is one two week period that will really show us a difference between Kenny and Rick.

 

With Williams ultra aggressive style, he didn't have many opportunities to display leverage tactics.

Hanh on the other hand is known to have high negotiation skills.

 

Bring it...

 

Well we always had a legitimate shot at the playoffs under Williams except for what, 1 year? And he retooled nicely and stocked the farm. What is the evidence that Hahn is a great negotiator; Keppinger on 3 years?

On the other hand Lexi continues to up his value.

 

He's now 2nd in hits over the last month with 37.

 

 

 

 

Heyman just tweeted that Rios was mad at himself for grounding into DP and sulkke. Not a big deal. Case closed.

 

I like hearing that.

Would you accept Glasnow and Kingham for Rios? Forget the 2 weird shortstops for a minute.

Unless a major league ready SS is part of the deal, who plays SS for the Sox if Hahn trades Alexi?

 

Beckham, with Keppinger manning second.

Would you accept Glasnow and Kingham for Rios? Forget the 2 weird shortstops for a minute.

 

 

If I were the GM no. While the value is there IMO the Sox need to get a bat back in return. 2 SPs, with all the depth we have at SP is overkill to me. Glasnow and Dickerson or Bell would be something I'd accept.

 

*waits for "you can never have too much starting pitching" comments*

Well we always had a legitimate shot at the playoffs under Williams except for what, 1 year? And he retooled nicely and stocked the farm. What is the evidence that Hahn is a great negotiator; Keppinger on 3 years?

Williams dealings mainly involved trading the farm.

It worked to an extent but times have changed. The table is flipped, it's a whole new ball game when it becomes retooling.

 

I don't think stating Williams retooled and restocked the system is correct.

 

Regarding Hanh and his negotiation skills, he has always been responsible for contract talks.

You can point to Keppinger but then again, you could also point to Sale.

 

Over time, I've been impressed with Hanh in his dealings with this regard.

We'll see how this translates when dealing for prospects.

 

In all seriousness - we never saw Williams in this capacity.

 

90% of Soxtalk would likely attest to that. ( I think... Let's see since there's not much to talk about at the moment. )

 

Edit:

Yep, most disagree with your point of view regarding Kenny retooling our farm system:

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=89496

 

Don't take this as an attack Jenks... I'm just extremely board and having intermittent insomnia

Edited July 20, 201312 yr by hi8is

Hopefully Peavy, Rios, Alexei have strong performances again today with many scouts in attendance.

If I were the GM no. While the value is there IMO the Sox need to get a bat back in return. 2 SPs, with all the depth we have at SP is overkill to me. Glasnow and Dickerson or Bell would be something I'd accept.

 

*waits for "you can never have too much starting pitching" comments*

Those two pitchers would be great value for Rios. The Sox need talent and should take it where they can get it. With Crain and Peavy, they could then target position players. With the Pirates, at least, their prospect strength is in pitching. Hanson or Polanco would be nice but probably not available for Rios.

Would you accept Glasnow and Kingham for Rios? Forget the 2 weird shortstops for a minute.

Yes but the Pirates wouldn't.

I think the return for Rios will ultimately be underwhelming therefore I think the Sox should seriously consider dealing Reed as a way to improve the overall talent haul they get back at the deadline. Guys I would like to see gone:

 

Crain

Lindstrom

Peavy

Rios

Ramirez

Dunn

De Aza

Reed

I think the return for Rios will ultimately be underwhelming therefore I think the Sox should seriously consider dealing Reed as a way to improve the overall talent haul they get back at the deadline. Guys I would like to see gone:

 

Crain

Lindstrom

Peavy

Rios

Ramirez

Dunn

De Aza

Reed

 

Agreed with everyone except Reed and De Aza.

 

Reed is controlled for 4-5 more years.

 

De Aza is extremely cheap and so far has been pretty good at the plate this year.

Agreed with everyone except Reed and De Aza.

 

Reed is controlled for 4-5 more years.

 

De Aza is extremely cheap and so far has been pretty good at the plate this year.

 

I think De Aza will fetch something good in return probably better than Rios. As far as Reed goes, I don't care about controllable years for a reliever, but that is what probably will add to his value. If they can get a better return for Reed than Crain they should do it.

I think De Aza will fetch something good in return probably better than Rios. As far as Reed goes, I don't care about controllable years for a reliever, but that is what probably will add to his value. If they can get a better return for Reed than Crain they should do it.

 

You'd think De Aza, being so inexpensive, could fetch something very nice. We sure aren't hearing about anything to that effect, though.

If they trade Reed I'd love to see them get back Jake Barrett from the DBacks in a Peavy trade.

 

A Peavy trade built around Owings and Barrett would be pretty sexy.