July 21, 201411 yr http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/followi...rade-him-072114 The odd man out in the Oakland Athletics’ rotation wants to be gone for good. Left-hander Tommy Milone has asked the club to trade him, major-league sources tell FOX Sports. more at link
July 21, 201411 yr He's got a 4.43 FIP, so he "has a horseshoe up his arse".....Really though I'm not sure he'd have the same success in the Cell as he has in Oakland. Edited July 21, 201411 yr by scs787
July 21, 201411 yr I hope the Sox are all over this. Give them Beckham. I really, really like Milone even for soft his stuff is.
July 21, 201411 yr QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 04:36 PM) I hope the Sox are all over this. Give them Beckham. I really, really like Milone even for soft his stuff is. Beckham's defense is too valuable for just Milone. Throw in Freiman and Pomeranz, and I'd be OK with it.
July 21, 201411 yr QUOTE (WKamm @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 03:59 PM) Beckham's defense is too valuable for just Milone. Throw in Freiman and Pomeranz, and I'd be OK with it. Green?
July 21, 201411 yr QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 05:14 PM) Green? I hope so. Beckham isn't hitting and hasnt been for a little bit now. I'd do Beckham for Milone in a second, though I think a low level spect may have to go with Beckham to Oakland. Im not sure how Milone would do at the cell but after all the pitching we've seen come and go, why not?
July 21, 201411 yr Just gonna throw this out there - the Sox are not getting 3 arb years of Milone for one arb year of Beckham. The Sox don't match up well with Oakland unfortunately - this would be a good return for Viciedo but they do not need a corner OF.
July 21, 201411 yr Why would y'all want a garbage pitcher who has more of a noodle arm than Danks? If he can't pitch in the Coliseum, how's he going to do at the Cell?
July 22, 201411 yr Why would anyone want to leave an obvious playoff team? And then going public with it.
July 22, 201411 yr QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 06:45 AM) Why would anyone want to leave an obvious playoff team? And then going public with it. Players want to play.
July 22, 201411 yr QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 06:42 PM) TAKE ALL OF THE LEFTIES We need one more LH Reliever going into next year to come from somewhere.
July 22, 201411 yr QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 05:24 PM) Just gonna throw this out there - the Sox are not getting 3 arb years of Milone for one arb year of Beckham. The Sox don't match up well with Oakland unfortunately - this would be a good return for Viciedo but they do not need a corner OF. Hell, give them Dunn too then. QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 05:36 PM) Why would y'all want a garbage pitcher who has more of a noodle arm than Danks? If he can't pitch in the Coliseum, how's he going to do at the Cell? So did you look at his numbers or just assume he was pitching poorly because he was demoted?
July 22, 201411 yr Author QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 07:45 AM) Why would anyone want to leave an obvious playoff team? And then going public with it. Because he is not on a playoff team. He is in the minors.
July 22, 201411 yr Hell, give them Dunn too then. So did you look at his numbers or just assume he was pitching poorly because he was demoted? FIP of 4.43, xFIP of 4.51. One Danks is enough.
July 22, 201411 yr QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 10:17 AM) FIP of 4.43, xFIP of 4.51. One Danks is enough. Mark Buehrle's career FIP is 4.12 and his xFIP is 4.21. Are you telling me you wouldn't like him? Milone is young, cost controlled, and good. Just because he is a guy who pitches to contact - hence, the higher FIP and xFIP - doesn't make him a bad pitcher. He would be a welcome addition to the pitching staff.
July 22, 201411 yr QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 10:30 AM) Mark Buehrle's career FIP is 4.12 and his xFIP is 4.21. Are you telling me you wouldn't like him? Milone is young, cost controlled, and good. Just because he is a guy who pitches to contact - hence, the higher FIP and xFIP - doesn't make him a bad pitcher. He would be a welcome addition to the pitching staff. Buehrle is almost freakishly capable of pitching better than his peripherals because he's one of the best defensive pitchers ever and he completely shuts down the running game. People need to stop using him in discussions on the usefulness or otherwise of peripherals.
July 22, 201411 yr QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 10:34 AM) Buehrle is almost freakishly capable of pitching better than his peripherals because he's one of the best defensive pitchers ever and he completely shuts down the running game. People need to stop using him in discussions on the usefulness or otherwise of peripherals. Not at all. Guys outperform their FIPs all the time, especially soft-tossers. Buehrle's career ERA of 3.80 - a difference of .32 - is not significantly different. It's not a stretch to assume that Milone could put up an ERA of 3.75-4.00, especially considering his FIP this year appears inflated overall (career FIP 4.14/xFIP 4.20 in 468.2 IP). Even so, are people here really THAT opposed to acquiring a guy that could put up a 4.25-4.50 ERA who is entering his prime and under team control for the next 3 years?
July 22, 201411 yr Author QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 10:37 AM) Not at all. Guys outperform their FIPs all the time, especially soft-tossers. Buehrle's career ERA of 3.80 - a difference of .32 - is not significantly different. It's not a stretch to assume that Milone could put up an ERA of 3.75-4.00, especially considering his FIP this year appears inflated overall (career FIP 4.14/xFIP 4.20 in 468.2 IP). Even so, are people here really THAT opposed to acquiring a guy that could put up a 4.25-4.50 ERA who is entering his prime and under team control for the next 3 years? It would be WAY down my list of things we need to grab, but if the deal was right, you do it.
July 22, 201411 yr QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 10:37 AM) Not at all. Guys outperform their FIPs all the time, especially soft-tossers. Buehrle's career ERA of 3.80 - a difference of .32 - is not significantly different. It's not a stretch to assume that Milone could put up an ERA of 3.75-4.00, especially considering his FIP this year appears inflated overall (career FIP 4.14/xFIP 4.20 in 468.2 IP). Even so, are people here really THAT opposed to acquiring a guy that could put up a 4.25-4.50 ERA who is entering his prime and under team control for the next 3 years? I know it's not significantly different. I'd expect that to change. Per DRS, Buehrle has saved over 7 runs over average per season. Milone has a little over 1 per. Buehre has allowed a stolen base once every 52 innings. Milone once every 21. That's two pretty damn good reasons why Buehrle significantly overperforms his peripherals. What's the reason for Milone? And fwiw, Milone in the minors: 2008 - FIP: 3.26, ERA: 3.51 2009 - FIP: 2.59, ERA: 2.89 2010 - FIP: 3.53, ERA: 2.91 2011 - FIP: 2.28, ERA: 3.22 I'm not even saying he wouldn't be nice to have, I'm commenting solely on the use of Buerhle in terms of judging peripherals.
July 22, 201411 yr QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 11:13 AM) I know it's not significantly different. I'd expect that to change. Per DRS, Buehrle has saved over 7 runs over average per season. Milone has a little over 1 per. Buehre has allowed a stolen base once every 52 innings. Milone once every 21. That's two pretty damn good reasons why Buehrle significantly overperforms his peripherals. What's the reason for Milone? And fwiw, Milone in the minors: 2008 - FIP: 3.26, ERA: 3.51 2009 - FIP: 2.59, ERA: 2.89 2010 - FIP: 3.53, ERA: 2.91 2011 - FIP: 2.28, ERA: 3.22 I'm not even saying he wouldn't be nice to have, I'm commenting solely on the use of Buerhle in terms of judging peripherals. Because he comes from the Tom Glavine school of pitching. Get the ball in play with no one on, screw the nails to the wall and pitch for weak contact with men on and in scoring position. Bases empty - .264/.301/.448 Men on base - .258/.315/.389 RISP - .228/.302/.354 The RISP does seem as though it's due for a bit of regression, as that's only a 113 IP sample size, but, as the ISO's indicate in both OBP and SLG, he slows down a lot and pitches away from hitters with runners on base.
July 22, 201411 yr Mark Buehrle's career FIP is 4.12 and his xFIP is 4.21. Are you telling me you wouldn't like him? Milone is young, cost controlled, and good. Just because he is a guy who pitches to contact - hence, the higher FIP and xFIP - doesn't make him a bad pitcher. He would be a welcome addition to the pitching staff. Milone's ERA on the road is nearly a run and a half higher than it is at home for his career, with awful peripherals to match. Take him out of the Coliseum, and he's a really bad pitcher.
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