Nobody is claiming that all of the shots took place from inside the police car, are they?

But to know where you're running you also would have to have your eyes aimed upward at the person. At the very least, it is equally consistent with a person on their knees and perhaps the angle of impact might tell something.

could be either, but I think you are thinking his face was pointed at the ground, thats not what was described. Put your chin down to your chest which is more downwards than being suggested and you can still see whats in front of you.

Honest question - if a policeman is in need of defending his or herself, but doesn't necessarily feel that fatal force will be used against them, are they instructed to shoot to injure rather than to kill? I understand from shooting pistols that this is no easy feat, but neither is shooting someone straight in the chest/head.

No, a gun is deadly force and you only deploy deadly force when the situation justifies killing someone.

Honest question - if a policeman is in need of defending his or herself, but doesn't necessarily feel that fatal force will be used against them, are they instructed to shoot to injure rather than to kill? I understand from shooting pistols that this is no easy feat, but neither is shooting someone straight in the chest/head.

Nope. Only deadly force.

 

I still think there's going to be a lot more that comes out about this case, we're missing a lot of details still I believe.

Is there any credible evidence or even PROOF so far the officer KNEW about the cigars/robbery? If there is, I haven't seen it provided by the police department.

 

 

Otherwise, we still basically have a situation where an officer is just clearing "innocent" civilians out of the street for blocking or obstructing traffic and got himself into a dangerous confrontation which quickly escalated and spun out of control....albeit a very big civilian, but one a police officer has been trained to deal with, presumably.

Is there any credible evidence or even PROOF so far the officer KNEW about the cigars/robbery? If there is, I haven't seen it provided by the police department.

 

 

Otherwise, we still basically have a situation where an officer is just clearing "innocent" civilians out of the street for blocking or obstructing traffic and got himself into a dangerous confrontation which quickly escalated and spun out of control....albeit a very big civilian, but one a police officer has been trained to deal with, presumably.

No, in fact by almost all accounts the officer would not have known about the robbery beforehand.

Is there any credible evidence or even PROOF so far the officer KNEW about the cigars/robbery? If there is, I haven't seen it provided by the police department.

 

 

Otherwise, we still basically have a situation where an officer is just clearing "innocent" civilians out of the street for blocking or obstructing traffic and got himself into a dangerous confrontation which quickly escalated and spun out of control....albeit a very big civilian, but one a police officer has been trained to deal with, presumably.

Whether the cop knew about it or not, HE knew about it, and when the cop tried to stop him for blocking the street, he could have thought he was busted and let the same rage he used on the shop keeper take over. Training or not, you see some guy half a foot taller and 100lbs heavier than you coming at you, gun gets drawn. Especially if he had displayed anger/violence before then. Wish we had video of that encounter as well as the robbery.

Do we know whether Wilson patted Brown down for a weapon? It doesn't sound like he was ever handcuffed. I wonder if Brown at some point reached for his pocket, causing Wilson to believe he had a gun (rightly or wrongly).

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Whether the cop knew about it or not, HE knew about it, and when the cop tried to stop him for blocking the street, he could have thought he was busted and let the same rage he used on the shop keeper take over. Training or not, you see some guy half a foot taller and 100lbs heavier than you coming at you, gun gets drawn. Especially if he had displayed anger/violence before then. Wish we had video of that encounter as well as the robbery.

 

Yeah, I think this is a good possibility, and would explain the skirmish. Brown knew he was about to get caught and so he tried to evade.

 

Lost in all of this is the complete disregard for the sidewalk or crosswalk. Why does this happen in poorer areas? I can drive due east on madison street from oak park to the city and from austin to Western there are people just walking down the middle of a street, crossing whenever they please. Whats the deal with that?

Yeah, I think this is a good possibility, and would explain the skirmish. Brown knew he was about to get caught and so he tried to evade.

The word "evade" doesn't fit with the description that was just given.

The word "evade" doesn't fit with the description that was just given.

 

How so?

Was there any drugs found in his system? From what I've gathered he was shot in the arm a few times and STILL kept charging forward. Not sure what drug would allow this, if a drug is even needed depending on where at in the arm, or that what extent he was even charging forward.

Was there any drugs found in his system? From what I've gathered he was shot in the arm a few times and STILL kept charging forward. Not sure what drug would allow this, if a drug is even needed depending on where at in the arm, or that what extent he was even charging forward.

I dont believe the toxicology report has been released yet. Meth would make that possible.

Was there any drugs found in his system? From what I've gathered he was shot in the arm a few times and STILL kept charging forward. Not sure what drug would allow this, if a drug is even needed depending on where at in the arm, or that what extent he was even charging forward.

 

That could have happened in seconds though. I remember reading a psych report on shooting a few years ago and the natural instinct when shooting is to empty the clip. Cops have to be trained to not do that if possible.

Was there any drugs found in his system? From what I've gathered he was shot in the arm a few times and STILL kept charging forward. Not sure what drug would allow this, if a drug is even needed depending on where at in the arm, or that what extent he was even charging forward.

 

There's no evidence thus far indicating that he was charging forward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdL9dqkyjhM

 

New (at least to me) video of the aftermath of the shooting.

 

You can hear a lot of the oft-repeated claims of "shot him in the back" and "killed him for no reason" but at one point there is a guy who says:

 

I mean, the police was in the truck [sic] and he was, like, over the truck. So then he ran, police got out and ran after him. The next thing I know, he comes back towards them. The police had his guns drawn on him.

There's no evidence thus far indicating that he was charging forward.

Other than witness testimony.

 

Also the family lawyer can't pronounce the word "question"

There's no evidence thus far indicating that he was charging forward.

 

There's a video I posted last night of people talking at the scene claiming he was....Video coincides with the police report(or the police press conference)almost to a T.

Now some other lawyer for the family is contradicting the autopsy report by saying he was shot back to front through his eye.

Oh good, doctor is giving political views.

How so?

A guy trying to "evade" is not going to be a threat to the police officer. A guy trying to charge directly at him doesn't sound like "evading" to me, a guy evading sounds like he's trying to "get away". Maybe you mean the same thing by the language there but it didn't sound like it.

Doctor just said bullett entered the eye. Completely contradicting the families lawyers statement 2 min ago.

Family lawyer "he was shot 6 times"

 

Doctor "many of this wounds are re entry from a single shot"