One thing about this camera business is that we should be careful what we wish for. There are clearly some things to be gained from body cameras or cameras inside of police vans or jail cells. With that said, I'm not eager to sign away my right not to be videotaped. It is not a big leap to go from "we need cameras around police activity" to "we need cameras anywhere crimes may be committed."

That is a HUGE leap. The difference in your rights while in legal police custody and not are quite large, from a legal standpoint. Totally different world.

 

when a person get detained by the police or arrested, while they do have rights, the police dept should also start looking at the rights of the PO, esp to protect them from bogus claims.

 

they the person getting arrested surrenders some of its rights and this should extend to camera surveillance.

 

the PO getting charge, if you notice, they were kind of vague on the manslaughter indictments. so the discussion will prob end in the culpability of the officers, all of them.

 

i see some of the officers turning states evidences, real fast.

 

 

The charges:

 

Officer Caesar R. Goodson Jr: Second-degree depraved heart murder, involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault, manslaughter by vehicle, misconduct in office

 

Sgt. Alicia D. White: Manslaughter, second-degree assault, misconduct in office

 

Lt. Brian W. Rice: Involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault, misconduct in office, false imprisonment

 

Officer William G. Porter: Involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault, misconduct in office

 

Officer Garrett Miller: Second-degree assault, misconduct in office, false imprisonment

 

Officer Edward M. Nero: Second-degree assault, misconduct in office, false imprisonment

This is an article from an unlikely source (Fox Sports) that details this in a very interesting way.

 

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/...-of-mail-050115

This is an article from an unlikely source (Fox Sports) that details this in a very interesting way.

 

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/...-of-mail-050115

 

Except all those other ways to die should be broken down into wilfull/malicious negligence as the primary cause...then it changes things quite a bit.

 

Of course, if you put drunk driving and a policeman killing a suspect deliberately in the same category subjectively, then this makes sense. For example, getting hit by lightning while golfing tends to be self-inflicted and often avoidable, right?

 

I will agree that child mortality rates should go down, but, once again, have they risen because of malpractice on the part of doctors and nurses? Whats the real underlying or endemic cause? With the CHIP and AFCA, mortality rates should be falling, not rising.

Except all those other ways to die should be broken down into wilfull/malicious negligence as the primary cause...then it changes things quite a bit.

 

Of course, if you put drunk driving and a policeman killing a suspect deliberately in the same category subjectively, then this makes sense. For example, getting hit by lightning while golfing tends to be self-inflicted and often avoidable, right?

 

I will agree that child mortality rates should go down, but, once again, have they risen because of malpractice on the part of doctors and nurses? Whats the real underlying or endemic cause? With the CHIP and AFCA, mortality rates should be falling, not rising.

 

You completely missed the point of the article in favor of writing out gibberish, again.

Whats the real underlying or endemic cause? With the CHIP and AFCA, mortality rates should be falling, not rising.

Balta, who did the research and did you find any conclusions that were drawn?

Balta, who did the research and did you find any conclusions that were drawn?

That was taken from Wikipedia since I knew they'd host it but the original count is produced and maintained by the CDC. The government regularly produces reports on that data, here's an abstract version, I don't have time to cull the full details because doctor's appointment in 15 min.

Consistent with these patterns in the timing of excess infant mortality, the majority of the infant mortality disparity between non-Hispanic Blacks and non-Hispanic Whites is due to causes related to prematurity and to a lesser extent, SIDS, congenital malformations, and injury.9,10 The American Indian/Alaska Native infant mortality gap is mostly explained by SIDS, congenital malformations, prematurity, and injury while the excess among Puerto Rican mothers is mostly related to prematurity.11,12

Readable english language version

Interesting. I wonder about the nature and causes of the "injury" group.

Are the 6 cops charged all white?

Are the 6 cops charged all white?

That would actually be good to know. I guess no media outlet wants to go there.

That would actually be good to know. I guess no media outlet wants to go there.

Also, what are the odds of them getting a fair trial?

 

And I am not saying that to side with them. If they are guilty, they deserve prison.

Edited May 1, 201510 yr by Dick Allen

Also, what are the odds of them getting a fair trial?

 

And I am not saying that to side with them. If they are guilty, they deserve prison.

 

Well, we know a person died that shouldn't have. These six officers are in deep s***, or at least four of the six. I'd think the two with lesser charges will be headed to jail for multiple years as well. Considering I read Baltimore has 50 percent black police officers, it would be strange if all six of these charged were white.

Are the 6 cops charged all white?

 

At least 3 of them are, based on an image I have seen from the initial arrest. The driver's name sounds like he may be Hispanic but you never know.

Also, what are the odds of them getting a fair trial?

 

And I am not saying that to side with them. If they are guilty, they deserve prison.

 

the one charge i have a problem with is the involuntary manslaughter charge. it should be, if needed classified as manslaughter. the courts can argue whether it was intentional or not. if the police crossed the line to break the law, and this was the result, they deserve the full count of the law. and more so, b/c they should be held to a higher level, b/c they are cops.

 

 

~~~ edit: should there have been a other charge, - conspiracy to commit a felony, falsifying and obstruction in a criminal investigation.

 

i may be wrong on the legal words to use here.

Edited May 1, 201510 yr by LDF

Are the 6 cops charged all white?

Does it matter?

Does it matter?

Yeah. In a racially charged case with people rioting.

The charges:

 

Officer Caesar R. Goodson Jr: Second-degree depraved heart murder, involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault, manslaughter by vehicle, misconduct in office

 

Sgt. Alicia D. White: Manslaughter, second-degree assault, misconduct in office

 

Lt. Brian W. Rice: Involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault, misconduct in office, false imprisonment

 

Officer William G. Porter: Involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault, misconduct in office

 

Officer Garrett Miller: Second-degree assault, misconduct in office, false imprisonment

 

Officer Edward M. Nero: Second-degree assault, misconduct in office, false imprisonment

 

Some terrible stuff here:

 

http://mashable.com/2015/05/01/damning-det...om-Tw-main-link

 

Still, I just have a really hard time believing that they'll get hit with murder, especially the second degree murder charge and the manslaughter charge. Both require intent. How are they ever going to prove that? Especially with White. All she did was fail to call for help "knowing" (per Mosbly) that Gray was unconscious and unresponsive.

 

The involuntary manslaughter charges also don't make much sense. I'd argue if there was any killing it's the driver that caused it. Whether or not the other officers knew that he was in serious need of medical attention, and that they're failure to act lead to his death, is a little unclear.

 

I think Goodson should be hit with involuntary manslaughter/manslaughter by vehicle if it can be shown that his driving caused Gray's injuries. Miller, Nero and Rice should be hit with the assault charges and misconduct for the way they arrested him and put him in the van. Porter and White shouldn't have been charged, based on Mosby's press conference anyway. I don't see how those cops' failure to get him medical attention is an assault. The official misconduct is probably legit. False imprisonment....surely there's some kind of immunity from criminal charges for that, right? Wouldn't every wrongful arrest result in criminal charges against the cops? Does that happen?

Edited May 1, 201510 yr by Jenksismybitch

Some terrible stuff here:

 

http://mashable.com/2015/05/01/damning-det...om-Tw-main-link

 

Still, I just have a really hard time believing that they'll get hit with murder, especially the second degree murder charge and the manslaughter charge. Both require intent. How are they ever going to prove that? Especially with White. All she did was fail to call for help "knowing" (per Mosbly) that Gray was unconscious and unresponsive.

 

The involuntary manslaughter charges also don't make much sense. I'd argue if there was any killing it's the driver that caused it. Whether or not the other officers knew that he was in serious need of medical attention, and that they're failure to act lead to his death, is a little unclear.

 

I think Goodson should be hit with involuntary manslaughter/manslaughter by vehicle if it can be shown that his driving caused Gray's injuries. Miller, Nero and Rice should be hit with the assault charges and misconduct for the way they arrested him and put him in the van. Porter and White shouldn't have been charged, based on Mosby's press conference anyway. I don't see how those cops' failure to get him medical attention is an assault. The official misconduct is probably legit. False imprisonment....surely there's some kind of immunity from criminal charges for that, right? Wouldn't every wrongful arrest result in criminal charges against the cops? Does that happen?

 

the intent was to commit a crime. period. the end result does not make more or less severe.

the intent was to commit a crime. period. the end result does not make more or less severe.

 

That's not how the law works.

That's not how the law works.

 

you are prob right, i do not know the law.

 

but the point is also the PO should be held at a higher level, b/c they are the enforcers of the law, when needed.

The Baltimore Police Union is calling for a special prosecutor to be appointed in the case.

 

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to laugh at this but I want to.

Just like with Eric Garner, the guy who filmed Fred Gray's arrest has been arrested.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/am...t-10217973.html

Yeah. In a racially charged case with people rioting.

The specific case has nothing to do with race. It's about abusive police officers killing a guy.